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So what do we make of this, then folks?/Did Amaral Ever Meet Or Interview Kate & Gerry?

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Post by honestbroker on Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:48 am

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1177608/11/25

There's the answer to one question in particular I wanted to focus on and it's this:

Q - It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.


A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting


Am I wrong, or is it also contended that Amaral never directly interviewed either of the couple?


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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:54 am

Thats what I thought too. Amaral deligated didn't he?

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Post by clairesy on Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:10 am

I don't see Kate, or Gerry for that mater as being cold. And to be honest it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they did seem withdraw and cold towards others...they have the bloody world on their shoulders.I know if my daughter went missing you wouldn't get much from me. I might very well want to co operate and do everything to find my child but as for being welcoming and warm towards others in such a stressful time i don't think i could be.I would probably be feeling very cold.. bitter and confused,stressed and god knows what else.

I think its unfair that people have called kate cold. In such a stressful and traumatising time for her what the hell do they expect from her??? Think they would have a lot more to call me if it was my child ...they would be calling me evil,cold, withdrawn..... phew...loads of things.

E.g...........i know a person who suffered a bad experience once(not a missing child )it was an sexual assault. And that person asked why it had happened to them and not to another person.Infact she even wished it had happened to that other person. Sick???..........then try to imagine what it would feel like to be in that situation and then ask yourself would you prefer it be you.............or someone else???


Theres a little saying that goes something like this.................

Before you try judging another person you should first try walking a mile in their shoes.

Maybe the antis should take that on board


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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:11 am

honestbroker wrote:http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1177608/11/25

There's the answer to one question in particular I wanted to focus on and it's this:

Q - It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.


A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting


Am I wrong, or is it also contended that Amaral never directly interviewed either of the couple?
Im pretty sure he never had any direct contact with either Kate or Gerry nor did he visit appartment 5a, I cant remember where I read this but definitely remember reading along those lines.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:20 am

The couple are not cold. Of this I´m certain.

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Kate is not cold

Post by dianeh on Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:51 am

Kate seems to me to be a normal sort of person. Sometimes up, sometimes down. But just look at some of the photos (and I think there is video of this as well) where Kate looks at Madeleine or the twins,and you see a happiness and love that cant be faked. The only people who cant see it, are those that refuse to. (The same ones who looked at Karen Matthews and saw a genuine grieving mother !!!!!!).

Some of the photos have been taken since Madeleine disappeared, when I know that it must be hard to find a smile, as so much would remind her of her daughter, particularly Amelie, who looks very similar to Madeleine. But Kate looks at those twins and the love comes forth and helps to heal her broken heart. And the result is genuine.

On the flip side, the strain and heartache that was visible on her face during the various interviews also show that she is not cold. She was struggling with her emotions and most likely with guilt, and it was visible to all who wished to see it. Once again, this emotion was genuine.

Kate is not cold. If she were, there would be plenty of 'old' friends coming out of the woodwork to accuse her of such. And where are they? Non existent. The idea that Kate is cold (and Gerry too) is just a rumour planted by the PJ, which the gullible anti's took to heart and run with.
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:30 am

dianeh wrote:Kate seems to me to be a normal sort of person. Sometimes up, sometimes down. But just look at some of the photos (and I think there is video of this as well) where Kate looks at Madeleine or the twins,and you see a happiness and love that cant be faked. The only people who cant see it, are those that refuse to. (The same ones who looked at Karen Matthews and saw a genuine grieving mother !!!!!!).

Some of the photos have been taken since Madeleine disappeared, when I know that it must be hard to find a smile, as so much would remind her of her daughter, particularly Amelie, who looks very similar to Madeleine. But Kate looks at those twins and the love comes forth and helps to heal her broken heart. And the result is genuine.

On the flip side, the strain and heartache that was visible on her face during the various interviews also show that she is not cold. She was struggling with her emotions and most likely with guilt, and it was visible to all who wished to see it. Once again, this emotion was genuine.

Kate is not cold. If she were, there would be plenty of 'old' friends coming out of the woodwork to accuse her of such. And where are they? Non existent. The idea that Kate is cold (and Gerry too) is just a rumour planted by the PJ, which the gullible anti's took to heart and run with.
Oh yes Karen Matthews who was held up as an example of how a grieving Parent should really look and act and wasnt that made a meal out of :duh: and now she's being excused for her disgusting and despicable treatment "well she never hurt her and Shannon is still alive and at least she knew where her Daughter was" No interest on how this poor child will fare in the future, or any long term suffering from the drugs fed to her "6 Months before Madeleine went Missing"
One thing that really sticks in the craws of the "McCanns Abusers" is that not one single person who knows them has got a bad word to say about them in fact they have gone out of their way to say how "Good" Kate was as a Mother.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:52 pm

There is no similarity between Madeleines case and Shannon's. The effect of what happened has been summed up by Shannon herself. She didn't want to go home. In Shannons family it's a case of "There's life Jim, but not as we know it"

The McCanns, to me a have been dignified throughout. They have been working hard to protect the twins from all the media attention regarding the case and trying not to put any negative pressure on the twins. Life has to go on for the twins and they must still be brought up without the nightmare their parents have to endure. Yet some folk think it's wrong to laugh and have happy times with the family because Madeleine is not with them. That is so sad. Punish the whole family?

I have no idea how one is supposed to react when their child disappears. I could tell you if I had gone through that experience. I can tell you what Luke's mum told me about selfishly pushing for a search to go on as long as there is any possibility of hope.

A parent of a missing child for me can react however they want to react if it helps them. That reaction may shock some people but it isn't about some peoples feelings it's about dealing with a situation that nobody would want to endure within the nuclear family that has lost a loved one.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:49 pm

What a complete disrespect to Mrs. McCann, to wrongly compare her with Shannon´s mother? Totally ludicrous.

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Post by Shingle on Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:42 am

Amaral had this to say in that interview......


Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
A
- Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who
has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death
by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found
just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.
Q
- But I am trying to think out an idea. How can a mother who has just
found her daughter dead on the floor decide to hide the corpse? And how
do you hide the corpse of a girl of nearly four years old so that no
one can find it?
A – This is what we were investigating when
I was dismissed from the case. I want to recall that there is an Irish
man who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms, on
his way towards the beach that same night. That testimony has been
hidden. The dogs specialised in finding traces of blood and odour of
cadaver, found both on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of the
car that the McCanns rented 23 days later.
Q - Did Gerry McCann bury his dead daughter on the beach and then unearth her and put her in the boot 23 days later?
A
- We do not know. The Irish [witness] that I have told you about saw
Gerry on television with a child in his arms arriving in the UK and
stated that it was the same image they had seen back in May in
Portugal. That man spent two days without sleeping when he realised
what he had discovered, but nobody has talked about them. And what one
of the Irish has said is logical, a man with a child in his arms toward
the beach.

Q - But this implies that the whole group, the nine people who ate dinner that night, had agreed to lie.
A
- All of them. Because, if you do not know, the British law regarding
negligence and child welfare is very strict. They left their children
alone in the apartments. In the UK, if you leave a child alone for half
an hour, you lose custody. After Madeleine's death, if it had been made
public that it was an accident, everyone could have lost custody.
Q
- So you consider that one of the reasons for the parents and friends
to have lied is because they feared losing their children's custody.
A
- Yes, yes. Nobody has opened legal proceedings for what happened, for
the negligence, and we have asked the British authorities why. Have
they answered? Of course not.
Q – Let's go to the day of the
disappearance. 17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?




Now Amarel want's it all ways...he starts off saying that blood and cadever odour was found in the appartment....well we know that blood belonging to a European male was found, but nothing else, and as the dog couldn't say "Hey I smell cadaver," thate statement is also a myth.

Now look at this bit.....

The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

So he is suggesting that when Gerry was speaking outside the appartment, to the guy he met after he had checked on the children, Madeleine was alive and died as a result of climbing on the chair.Fast forward a little....17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?



Now he is suggesting that Madeleine died earlie...between 17.30 and 20.30 and that she had already been concealed when they sat down to dinner......HUGE MISTAKE LARDIE.....MASSIVE MISTAKE.
iF THEY HAD ALREADY CONCEALED HER....THEN YOUR iRISH WITNESS IS LYING


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Re: So what do we make of this, then folks?/Did Amaral Ever Meet Or Interview Kate & Gerry?

Post by Shingle on Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:52 am

honestbroker wrote:http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1177608/11/25

There's the answer to one question in particular I wanted to focus on and it's this:

Q - It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.


A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting


Am I wrong, or is it also contended that Amaral never directly interviewed either of the couple?


No...he never once interviewed the couple or spoke to them personaly.

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Post by honestbroker on Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:05 pm

Shingle wrote:
honestbroker wrote:http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1177608/11/25

There's the answer to one question in particular I wanted to focus on and it's this:

Q - It was said that Kate was very cold. But I've seen her cry.


A - So did I. She is not cold. There was a moment, in a meeting with them, when we set out the sofa theory. Kate put her head down, looking distant, and, after a few seconds, she looked up again as if nothing had happened. She looked like she was escaping from the role that she was interpreting


Am I wrong, or is it also contended that Amaral never directly interviewed either of the couple?


No...he never once interviewed the couple or spoke to them personaly.

Shingle, that's precisely my impression, but do you have a reference for that? The reason it (your point) sounds so right is that what's described (by Amaral) is a deeply accusatory scenario of the sort that, by Portuguese law (if I understand it right) can only be put once a suspect has been made an arguido. Yet Amaral refers to it as once, in a meeting, suggesting before the only series of arguido interviews

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Post by Pedro Silva on Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:46 pm

The only person I see cold here was some of the PJ members: Paulo Rebelo didn´t even had the decency of answer to Mrs. McCann when she wrote an appeal to him (by letter) appealing to him to concentrate all efforts in finding Madeleine, instead of focus on her and her husband.

Mrs. McCann is not cold, not at all. Just because she didn´t cry in public, that does not mean that she is cold (which she is not), all the time I wondered, from the first second of sweet Madeleine´s abduction, what kind of pain the couple felt when they went inside 5A and see Madeleine´s bed empty. What pain did the couple felt when they arrived at East Midlands airport, the one where Mr. McCann gave a short comment, while he was reading it at the airport, with little Sean is his arms, and the tears and sadeness could been perfectly seen in his face, and the same about Mrs. McCann while she was with little Amelie in her arms. And when they arrived in their home in Rothley, and once they were all inside their house (in Rothley) I wondered the pain, sadeness, desesperation, cries, screams felt by Mrs. McCann and her husband and all her family.

None of them are cold, on the contrary my friends, and the living proof of that is what was made to establish Amber Alert Code worldwide, and what was made to bring to the surface worldwide all missing children cases, made by the couple McCann. Now, if this is cold, then, I don´t know what is the contrary.

This is not for any of all my friends and members of this forum, this is for Gonzo, Bennett.

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Post by honestbroker on Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:55 pm

="Shingle"]Amaral had this to say in that interview......


Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
A
- Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who
has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death
by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found
just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.
Q
- But I am trying to think out an idea. How can a mother who has just
found her daughter dead on the floor decide to hide the corpse? And how
do you hide the corpse of a girl of nearly four years old so that no
one can find it?
A – This is what we were investigating when
I was dismissed from the case. I want to recall that there is an Irish
man who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms, on
his way towards the beach that same night. That testimony has been
hidden. The dogs specialised in finding traces of blood and odour of
cadaver, found both on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of the
car that the McCanns rented 23 days later.
Q - Did Gerry McCann bury his dead daughter on the beach and then unearth her and put her in the boot 23 days later?
A
- We do not know. The Irish [witness] that I have told you about saw
Gerry on television with a child in his arms arriving in the UK and
stated that it was the same image they had seen back in May in
Portugal. That man spent two days without sleeping when he realised
what he had discovered, but nobody has talked about them. And what one
of the Irish has said is logical, a man with a child in his arms toward
the beach.

Q - But this implies that the whole group, the nine people who ate dinner that night, had agreed to lie.
A
- All of them. Because, if you do not know, the British law regarding
negligence and child welfare is very strict. They left their children
alone in the apartments. In the UK, if you leave a child alone for half
an hour, you lose custody. After Madeleine's death, if it had been made
public that it was an accident, everyone could have lost custody.
Q
- So you consider that one of the reasons for the parents and friends
to have lied is because they feared losing their children's custody.
A
- Yes, yes. Nobody has opened legal proceedings for what happened, for
the negligence, and we have asked the British authorities why. Have
they answered? Of course not.
Q – Let's go to the day of the
disappearance. 17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?




Now Amarel want's it all ways...he starts off saying that blood and cadever odour was found in the appartment....well we know that blood belonging to a European male was found, but nothing else, and as the dog couldn't say "Hey I smell cadaver," thate statement is also a myth.

Now look at this bit.....

The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

So he is suggesting that when Gerry was speaking outside the appartment, to the guy he met after he had checked on the children, Madeleine was alive and died as a result of climbing on the chair.Fast forward a little....17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?



Now he is suggesting that Madeleine died earlie...between 17.30 and 20.30 and that she had already been concealed when they sat down to dinner......HUGE MISTAKE LARDIE.....MASSIVE MISTAKE.
iF THEY HAD ALREADY CONCEALED HER....THEN YOUR iRISH WITNESS IS LYING


Shingle, Amaral's smoking-gun, live, red-hot, ready-to-roll, case-busting, bombshell Smith initiative, treacherously scuppered by the Establishment, Gordon Brown et al. was actually a whimpering, wilting, pathetic morsel of a thing. Take a look at this:


[quote]A - To me, Gerry hid Madeleine's body on the beach. And after a few days he moved her with his car. We work following this lead. Trying to find out the date of the switch, some details, but we were on the way. The Irish [witness] was about to arrive in Portugal, but everything was delayed too much, he even received external pressures. In the end, he didn't testify for the Police.
Q – They (McCanns) have appeared in all the media to announce the disappearance of their daughter and if it ends up that they have done it, what are they, psychopaths?
A – No, they are human. If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted.
Q - What if they do not want to lose hope? It all seems very morbid.
A - It is. If they admit that she is dead they will lose their style of life. They are human, not psychopaths.
Q - You said that the girl was frozen.
A - For there to be vestiges in the boot of the car rented 23 days later, they must have preserved the corpse in some way. I believe that when they put it in the boot, with the heat of those days in the Algarve, a similar situation happened with that of shopping bags, which melt, and then the water is transferred to the car.[/quote]


So, Mr Smith (though he didn't realsie it) saw Gerry carrying his dead daughter down to the beach to bury her? I've actually found a Sky link, quoting Mr Smith verbatim, that directly contradicts that, but leave that aside.

Let's go with the flow of the theory. Gerry had both hands full carrying Madeleine. If his intent was to bury her, he'd have needed a spade. How did he manage to carry that at the same time as Madeleine? Did Mr Smith report him carrying a spade? It would be conspicuos, obvious and hard to conceal (let alone carry!) It would also be a feature likely to stick in the memory of anyone who witnessed it. The scent of death (apparently) was detected on Kate's clothes but not Gerry's. Even if Gerry carried Madeleine's body sooner than two hours after her death, by the theory, it (her body) was subsequently dug up again. Who did that? Kate?

Second question, if we accept the scenario (which obviously I don't!) then Amaral is, at least, right that Madeleine's remains would have had to be preserved in some way. Otherwise, in that heat, they'd have transported a skeleton, not a body. How did the McCanns manage, both to conceal and preserve the body undetected for 23 days? What diligences have been carried out to establish and verify that theory?

And finally (again assuming the scenario to be right) how do we account for the Mccans' extraorinarily leisurely approach to the whole business of hiring a car? Surely, given the hypothesis, that would have been a top, crushingly urgent, priority. Wouldn't it?

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Post by Shingle on Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:20 am

Honestbroker,

Why did any dogs not detect the smell on the beach? Just suppose for a moment that she had been buried on the beach, not only would the super springers have detected it....and they did a search of the beaches as reported by Mr Grimes...but just about every wild animal walking over that beach would have been scratching at the sand.

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What an idiot

Post by Claire from Canada on Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:37 am

Amaral is either incredibly stupid, or incredibly arrogant to think that we, educated, well-minded people, are going to believe this crap that he spews. He should be hung, drawn and quartered for the pain that he has caused this family.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:55 am

I totally agree with you Clairesy, my friend. You´re absolutely right about Gonzo.

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Post by Rosie on Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:32 am

Shingle wrote:Amaral had this to say in that interview......


Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
A
- Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who
has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death
by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found
just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.
Q
- But I am trying to think out an idea. How can a mother who has just
found her daughter dead on the floor decide to hide the corpse? And how
do you hide the corpse of a girl of nearly four years old so that no
one can find it?
A – This is what we were investigating when
I was dismissed from the case. I want to recall that there is an Irish
man who claimed to have seen Gerry McCann with a girl in his arms, on
his way towards the beach that same night. That testimony has been
hidden. The dogs specialised in finding traces of blood and odour of
cadaver, found both on the wall of the apartment and in the boot of the
car that the McCanns rented 23 days later.
Q - Did Gerry McCann bury his dead daughter on the beach and then unearth her and put her in the boot 23 days later?
A
- We do not know. The Irish [witness] that I have told you about saw
Gerry on television with a child in his arms arriving in the UK and
stated that it was the same image they had seen back in May in
Portugal. That man spent two days without sleeping when he realised
what he had discovered, but nobody has talked about them. And what one
of the Irish has said is logical, a man with a child in his arms toward
the beach.

Q - But this implies that the whole group, the nine people who ate dinner that night, had agreed to lie.
A
- All of them. Because, if you do not know, the British law regarding
negligence and child welfare is very strict. They left their children
alone in the apartments. In the UK, if you leave a child alone for half
an hour, you lose custody. After Madeleine's death, if it had been made
public that it was an accident, everyone could have lost custody.
Q
- So you consider that one of the reasons for the parents and friends
to have lied is because they feared losing their children's custody.
A
- Yes, yes. Nobody has opened legal proceedings for what happened, for
the negligence, and we have asked the British authorities why. Have
they answered? Of course not.
Q – Let's go to the day of the
disappearance. 17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?




Now Amarel want's it all ways...he starts off saying that blood and cadever odour was found in the appartment....well we know that blood belonging to a European male was found, but nothing else, and as the dog couldn't say "Hey I smell cadaver," thate statement is also a myth.

Now look at this bit.....

The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.

So he is suggesting that when Gerry was speaking outside the appartment, to the guy he met after he had checked on the children, Madeleine was alive and died as a result of climbing on the chair.Fast forward a little....17h30 is the last time that neutral witnesses saw Maddie
alive. At 20h30, her parents sit down, composed, at the table for
dinner with friends. In the middle, Gerry even plays tennis. Is there
enough time for the girl to fall from the sofa, killing herself, for
the parents to realise, to decide to conceal her, for the siblings to
be sleeping, and for them to arrive undisturbed and sit at the table as
if nothing had happened? Even more, for them to sit down at the table
after having convinced the rest of the group that they mustn't report
the death of the girl?



Now he is suggesting that Madeleine died earlie...between 17.30 and 20.30 and that she had already been concealed when they sat down to dinner......HUGE MISTAKE LARDIE.....MASSIVE MISTAKE.
iF THEY HAD ALREADY CONCEALED HER....THEN YOUR iRISH WITNESS IS LYING


Not only is the Irish witness lying, Amaral himself is!
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Post by Rosie on Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:06 am

Q - What do you think could have happened that night?
A
- Both the British and Portuguese police, and even the prosecutor, who
has already changed his mind, thought the same. We talked about death
by others, not murder. In the room, blood and cadaver odour was found
just below a window where a sofa was. The father was talking to a
friend just outside that window for a while. The girl was not a heavy
sleeper, that's what the parents said. Perhaps she heard her father and
climbed to the sofa below the window. But the parents, for the girl not
to go out, moved it away from the wall. Madeleine could have fallen.
Q - The girl falls from the sofa, dies with the blow and the parents find her.
A - The mother. It is the mother who finds the girl dead.

So Lardy boy wants us to believe, that Madeleine had an accident, fell from the sofa and died from a blow to the head. Kate comes back and discovers her and runs back gets Gerry and the rest of the group.
They quickly hold a meeting, it is decided that they will not do the obvious, logical and most sensible thing and call an ambulance and have Madeleine taken to hospital, where she would have been examined and the police called and an official statements taken. A sad but unfortunate holiday accident resulting in the death of a child and virtually guaranteed that no more would have been said about it.

No they did not do this. Gonc says that Gerry is a quick thinker, so Gerry says, you hold the fort here and call the police, I'll quickly nip to the beach and bury Madeleine using the twins holiday spade.
All the rest of you quickly concoct a story about the window because if we do not do it his way, when we get back to England, social services will take all our remaining children off of us, they will not allow us custody because we left our children to eat dinner 89 steps away, while checking on them regularly.

Now Madeleine must have been dead on the floor for about an hour and we are being asked to believe is long enough to leave the scent of cadaver, that Grimes along with Eddie picks up over three months later?!
The blood of course was not Madeleine's, it belonged to an eastern European male (fact, proven fact).

So Gerry, went to the beach and dug a very deep hole, large enough and deep enough to conceal Madeleine in, without anyone finding her. Despite holiday makers and children digging on the beach and all of PDL out looking for Madeleine, she was never found buried on the beach.

Strange that the marvelous Super snout of Eddie, did not find the place where Madeleine was buried for days on the beach, yet the dog sniffed out where she lay for about an hour in the apartment. this is in despite of the fact that the apartment had been cleaned repeatedly by MW staff and Goncalo Amaral, in his infinite wisdom allowing four other families to stay in that apartment, in between Madeleine supposedly dying in there and the Eddie having a sniff about, over three months later!

So when exactly, did Gerry return to the beach and dig up his daughter, remover her and bury her in another remarkable place so well hidden that hundreds of people out searching, never found her?

How come no reporters or TV cameras saw Gerry Digging Madeleine up?

One other thing, did the Irish witness mention seeing Gerry carrying a spade as well as Madeleine?

Just utter garbage, trash, rubbish.

Oh and one other thing Gonc, if you thought this, then why didn't you mention it in your book? Why did this only come out when the Spanish newspaper paid you big bucks to talk to their journalist?

Actually why didn't you investigate this as a possibility when you had the chance before you were sacked? After all you were not sacked until Madeleine had been missing for four months!

No wonder you were sacked Amaral, these stories are as unbelievable as those that have an innocent man and woman doing 16 years in prison for a crime they did not commit!
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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:47 am

Praia de Luz has a a problem with feral dogs how does Amaral explain them not uncovering Madeleine if he's so sure Gerry buried Madeleine on the beach.
Which if we are to believe this fiction they would most certainly of done so.

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Post by sadie on Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:48 am

No, no, You've got it wrong.

Gerry popped out after his chat with Jez and bought a boat. He is a very quick thinker - Gonzo says so. He had to walk very quickly, but he had 7 minutes, and it was less than a mile. Of course he hadn't got enough money, so he had to go to the cash machine first; that's why JT saw him going in the 'wrong direction'. Then off he went like lightening. The boat did the job admirably. He couldn't go out sea himself, as he had only 2 minutes left to run back, (he is quite good at running, he plays tennis) so he gave the boat back to the man he bought it from - so long as he looked after Madeleine.

It's so obvious, I can't think why Gonzo didn't work it out, even if you lot are a bit slow. He's good at these things. He writes books about how good he is. So he has to be.
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Post by sadie on Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:50 am

Dupl;icate posting, so deleted
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Post by Pedro Silva on Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:28 pm

Just to say this, I don´t believe in a word who comes out of the mouth or hand of Gonzo. rubbish and complete garbage Why I say this? Very simple answer: rubbish from Gonzo, because this has come from a person who had the duty and obligation to find a little girl, and instead, betrayed this little girl and her parents, by focus on a ludicrous theory which her parents did not.


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Post by sadie on Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:15 pm

Well put Pedro. Most of us will agree with you on that.
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