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LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

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LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

Post by Royal on Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:50 am

Eighteen months ago this nation, indeed the whole world joined together in a combined effort to find a little girl who had been cruelly taken from her loving parents. The amount of energy generated by the worlds populace and media who combined in their efforts to find this precious little girl was absolutely astonishing and totally unprecedented in the tragic and utterly disgraceful history of missing children. During the first few days, weeks and months there was an unmistakable belief that Madeleine would soon be found safe and very hopefully not badly hurt or damaged during her frightening experience. But as the weeks and months have slowly passed by those very same shared beliefs wishes, and feelings of hopeful optomism appear to have now given way to a subdued and benign acceptance of sad inevitabillity. But seriously, do we really have to abandon all hope when we all know for a "fact" that somebody out there knows where Madeleine actually is at this very moment, or at the very worst what has actually happened to her? That person who ever he or she may be could provide Madeleine's parents with the information they need to know in order to ease their pain and suffering. They also know only too well the heartbreaking effect this news could have on them, but as things are they are now living in a state of Limbo and it must be absolutely dreadful for them. Meanwhile we, as a combined union of compassionate posters can start by concentrating our minds on constructive thought and perhaps even come up with previously overlooked minute details that could be of huge importance. Interesting theories, new and fresh ideas, anything in fact that can help to re-invigorate and unlock this baffling mystery. Somebody somewhere is holding a vital clue that could turn this whole thing right round, so for the sake of our little Maddie and her suffering parents lets all make one more concerted effort to try and solve this frustrating dilemma! Let's everyone put our thinking caps on and come up with some new ideas! Who knows what may come of it, but I'm sure you will agree, as things are we are just going nowhere?
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Re: LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:10 am

I completely agree with you my friend.

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Post by vee8 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:39 am

A small group of us are working on something in the members area, something that we would prefer not to talk about in the public section. It may be of help, and it certainly couldn't hurt. Aside from that, as far as hope goes, all I can say is, my gut feelings remain the same as they did from the beginning. She is still alive and unharmed. I don't know what value to put on a gut feeling, but that's all I can offer.
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FIND MADELEINE!

Post by Royal on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:04 am

Thank you VEE8 and Pedro Silver for your contribution, it doesn't matter how small or unimportant it may seem as at least we will be talking about getting Maddie back and that is the main thing. As it is we on the Forum seem to be tied into other less important details such as the Cadaver dogs, Almarals trial and the negative aspects of the Anti blogs, their ongoing hostilities of which we (in general) encourage by responding to their jibes. I think we should try to concentrate more on the events leading up to Madeleines abduction, the layout of the holiday complex, who did, said and saw what. Various witness's statements and sightings, was a boat really sighted leaving the harbour that very morning and did the PJ investigate its movement. Was the sighting by witnesses accurate when they say they saw a child being dragged towards the harbour during the early hours. Did Jane tanner actually see somebody carrying a child in a direction away from the apartment. All of these reports could be gone over again so to see if there is anything been missed! The PJ didn't do a very good job so perhaps they missed out some small important evidence? Lets all start going over the whole thing again and who knows!
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Re: LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:46 am

You welcome my friend. IŽm on this quest from the very first second followed her abduction. I will be by the coupleŽs side until she returns. :D

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Re: LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

Post by clairesy on Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:30 am

Hi all..

i know when Madeleine went missing they ran a facial recognition scanner on the www...to see if they could pick up her face at all.It was unsuccessful.But maybe they should try this again.It as been a 17months now or more and maybe they could find something this time.Obviously Madeleine would have altered so fbi facial aging equipment would also be needed maybe??Not sure how this works but im sure it could be worth a shot.

Also Madeleine is only known now(probably) to those who speak English etc...she might not be as popular in other countries anymore.I think that she should be brought back into the minds and onto the tv screens of those countries that don't gt to hear about Madeleine anymore. Africa and India etc ...all these way out foreign countries that she may very well be comfortably hidden in.Time i think to freshen the minds of those in all these countries.I know when the morocco sighting(of the child on the woman's back) was discovered the family that were thought to be holding Madeleine said they hadn't heard about her even...they don't have tv and don't know whats going on in the world.IMO a place like this is the perfect place to get out of the spotlight and hide a missing person.Therefore i think these places should be targeted with a major missing Madeleine campaign.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:40 am

Clairesy my friend, here is a tip: why donŽt you send what you wrote, to the investigation email which can be found at the official website: www.findmadeleine.com

just look for: Contact us, click in this phrase, and once youŽre inside, youŽll see how to contact them. Regards. Your friend. Pedro.

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CLAIRESY'S IDEAS

Post by Royal on Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:50 am

Good thinking Clairesy, now this is the sort of thing I am talking about, shaking peoples memories and going over the whole thing all over again, who said what and when, who saw what and where, the actual abduction, it was never to my knowledge determined just how Madeleine was taken from the apartment, was it through the door or was she passed through the window, does anybody know for sure, I certainly don't! Was she then taken to the Marina and smuggled away on a boat or is she actually imprisoned in some house possibly somewhere even within yards of the holiday complex itself, were all properties around there searched, if not why not? Was she smuggled accross the border into Spain and perhaps beyond or was she taken to some organized paedophiles hideaway somewhere, just over the border or still in Portugal. What a shame border controls were ababndoned with the formation of the EU, now there is no check on who's coming or going! Were local criminals used as spotters and suppliers of human traffic, or was Maddie's abduction carried out by a couple of perverted opportunists? Did Jane Tanner actually see a man carrying a child or was she mistaken and if it was Madeleine why wasn't she struggling or crying, was she drugged or perhaps tied and gagged. Let us go over the whole thing all over again to see if anything has been missed out or overlooked? Photographs, is it possible somebody could actually have a photo of the mysterious boat either anchored up and or leaving the Marina, people do after all take photo's of boats in Marina's. Perhaps somebody on holdiay in the complex unwittingly took a picture of the kidnappers or even their vehicle and doesn't yet realize the significance of their holiday pictures? I saw a photgraph of a couple who were holidaying in Paris and the young lady took a photgraph of her boyfriend against the Eifel Tower background. When the photos's were developed she had actually taken the picture of a man falling to his death having leapt from the Eifel Tower at that very same moment, so these sorts of coincidences do occur in every day life! There are over a hundred members on this forum, if even a quarter of them show further interest in this case it could make a difference, who knows unless we try? Just becaus the PJ gave up on Madeleine many months ago doesn't mean to say we all have to?
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Re: LET'S FIND MADDIE! NEW THOUGHTS & IDEAS URGENTLY NEEDED?

Post by Pedro Silva on Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:00 am

WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL WE FIND HER AND SEE HER SAFE AND SOUND WITH HER FAMILY, WHERE SHE REALLY BELONGS. THAT IS A PROMISE.

I totally agree with what you my friends wrote in the previous 2 messages before mine (this one).

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Couldn't agree more...

Post by Claire from Canada on Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:00 pm

Friends,
I have been trying to remove myself from this site, not because I don't care about Madeleine's plight anymore, but because I feel that my anxiety level over this case has become increasingly bad, and frankly alarming. I have been so affected by this abduction, and I am literally still losing sleep over it. I find myself having anxiety attacks over this, and just almost wish I had never read the paper or turned the tv on that fateful day.

Every once in a while, I come onto this site and feel as though it's us spinning our wheels. I am relieved to find that others are with me on this one. I mentioned in a post regarding Brandon Crisp that I believe the search needs to start again, literally, at ground zero. Sadly, I don't seem to share a lot of your optimism with respect to the outcome because my gut tells me that Madeleine will not be recovered alive. I sincerely pray that I am wrong and that all of you are right.

I do, however, believe that the answer is right there in the Ocean Warner resort. I just have this incredible feeling that it's someone staring us in the face, someone who worked there perhaps, or someone local. I believe that the prick was sitting at the bar with Gerry and Kate the night of May 3rd, realized that an opportunity existed, and pounced on it. I don't believe that this was as calculated as the media leads us to believe. Gerry's gut feeling that the abductor was in the apartment at the same time as him leads me to believe this- a well planned and well executed abduction would not included a near -miss like that. Further to this, well planned and 'international' pedophile rings would have had all the details, including who the child was, and particularly who her parents were. The sick and twisted reality is that most of the children who do fall prey to these rings come from lower income and less powerful families, something that clearly doesn't apply to the Mcann's. The abductor likely had no idea that the Mcann's would orchestrate a media blitz of this magnitude.

That said, it appears as though the search for Madeleine has taken on an international role, in that Metodo 3 is looking for her all over the world, instead of in Luz or at the very least, in Portugal. The chances that this is tied to Amaral the fat f*ck is far greater than the chances of it being tied to an 'international' pedophile ring. I think this was a local and very last minute abduction that came about through opportunity.

I think about this poor beautiful child every day, perhaps 10 times a day. If I didn't have a beautiful daughter and husband of my own, I'd be over there dedicating my life to find her.
As I said, I sincerely pray that I am wrong about this and that she is in the hands of a beautiful and loving family. But let's get serious friends, what are the chances of that? What are the chances that a loving caring family would ever hang on to the most wanted child in the world?

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Post by Pedro Silva on Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:39 pm

My friend, sorry to say this to you (with all do respect), but I donŽt share your gut feeling, and I explain why: we have no evidence of any harm (of course, I know we must all be prepared for all kinds of outcome), but, until proven otherwise, our stance is, Madeleine is alive and we need to do everything in our power to find her and to bring her home safe and sound. I still have hope that she is alive somewhere and can be found. Regards. Your friend. Pedro.

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Post by maria on Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:04 pm

The heck!

Madeira, as I said somewhere in here, on top of being a fiscal paradise, is also a peado one. There are families selling their children for a dozen euro for paedo activities. It was on the news back on 2003, a boat was identified. There, child porn videos were produced. Mainly for dutch market, if I'm not mistaken. Children were payed for it. Nothing was done, as Madeira is a real paradise on all illegal activities and is autonomous from the continent in many aspects (a bit like Jersey, I think, in administrative terms, I mean).

Now, a boat can be a yacht, can't it? And there are yachts capable of long trips, aren't they? Could this or a 'sister ship' have been around Algarve and Luz in particular May/2007? Could Madeleine have been abducted for activities like this? Children in Madeira are older than her and returned to their lives(?). Could her life have been spared and could this justify the 'sightings' in the Netherlands and Belgium? Could they be trying to show she was alive? Or was she returned to someone in Luz who then took care of her, either by keeping her underground or sending her somewhere else - for adoption, pe?

I've also transcribed (translation) an excerpt (ommitting names) of Barra da Costa's book on the investigation where he gives notice of paedo activities in Lisbon and Oporto, and Madeira, at the time Madeleine disappeared. Will look for the thread where it is and will edit this to leave the address.

These aspects of paedophilia in Portugal should be taken in consideration by the PIs and Madeleine's specific investigation should restart from scratch taking in consideration this escape route, the most likely in my opinion.

Please take this ideas in consideration, widen your views in the investigation. I'm not pretending to be better than anyone else, just someone who would like to have more and better news about that child.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:05 am

About Madeira, please, send it to: investigation@findmadeleine.com
I think they must be aware of this suspicion.

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CLAIRS VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION.

Post by Royal on Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:12 am

Good morning Clair and all other concerned posters. Clair, I fully understand exactly how you feel, if like myself you have watched and involved yourself in the sad case of this missing child and her heartbroken parents then it must have had a huge impact on your emotions as indeed it has to so many fellow contributors to this forum. I do not have to be reminded about little Madeleine as her impish little face tends to be permanently imprinted on my mind and soul. Madeleine is now an everyday part of my life, and the trouble is Clair that like yourself I do not know the answer to this very disturbing dilemma. How can I try to cut the memory of this lovely little child from my mind and somehow try to return to the life of normallity I previously enjoyed before this dreadful heartbreaking tragedy entered my life, no of course I can't, no more than I can prevent the sun from rising in the mornings and setting at night! As Pedro has said, there is absolutely no proof that Madeleine is dead or even that she has been harmed, in that respect we can only hope and pray that that is so! There are times when we all have our doubts, and this is the terrible tragedy of the situation for Kate and Gerry, the not knowing! This is why I have suggested we all re-engage our minds back into the events of that fateful day way back on the 3rd of May last year. As far as I know none of us were actually staying at the holiday complex at that particular time and so we only have media reportings to base our opinions on, however, that is not to say we cannot delve into the known facts we do have of the case and try to re-construct the events both before and after Madeleine disappeared. I think we should start back on day one, the day the McCanns were allocated that particular holiday apartment and question, was it just coincidental or was there some reason or ulterior motive they were placed in that end apartment which as we now know was a prime target for some potential kidnapper? I would suggest that should be the starting point on which any further discussions and views could start, and then perhaps go on to debate who we think the kidnappers were, local opportunists or an organized group? Meanwhile Clair, may I suggest that if you feel your involvement in these debates is having a detrimental effect on your health and welfare then I agree that perhaps you should 'try to switch off' for a time and come back later when you feel better able to cope, you will always be most welcome as you know!
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MARIA'S LATEST CONTRIBUTION.

Post by Royal on Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:06 am

Thanks Maria, as usual you are ever so helpful in these discussions. Like you say Madeira is indeed a beautiful island, I visited there I believe in the early 1980's and don't expect it has changed very much since. Obviously I was not aware of any criminal activities on the island in those days but I expect they exsisted as in most other parts of the world, it just seems rather hard to accept in such a lovely place. As you will remember Maria I have suspected Madeleine was taken by Sea more or less from the day she disappeared, I have never been able to rid my mind of the two witnesses who the very next day stated they had seen a young child being dragged towards the Marina during the early hours of the 4th May. To my knowledge nothing more was ever said again about that very significant sighting, neither for that matter was the sighting of the mystery vessel anchored in or near the Marina and which I understand also set sail that same morning. Did the PJ investigate these important sightings, is it perhaps possible somebody may have been taking photographs of the Marina at that particular time? Having said all that I have recently been drawn to the idea that perhaps we have all been 'barking up the wrong tree', could in fact Madeleine have been abducted by some local pervert/s and hidden locally, perhaps even in some place not too far from the holiday complex itself? This would account for Madeleine's remarkably fast and complete disappearance. How could the child have vanished so completely without any confirmed sightings whatsoever if we disclude Jane Tanner and even if that was a positive sighting it was supposedly minutes later and within yards of the apartment. These are I agree the things we need to discuss all over again Maria from the very beginning.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:19 pm

My friends, just to say that at Google, if you like, you write:
HELP FIND MADELEINE MCCANN, you can find very useful information about our sweet Madeleine McCann and also about more missing children worldwide. It really worth go there an take a good look. Regards. Your friend. Pedro.

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