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Gordon Brown on the McCanns - Breaking news

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:03 am

Hi everyone,

Sorry this is a bit hurried, but I was just reading the forum and whilst doing so, had Sky News on in the background. Gordon Brown was being interviewed by Sky News - that bonny lass with auburn hair and Mr Brunt. They were asking a plethora of questions about the economy and loads of other issues. Then they brought up the subject of Madeleine and the plight of the darling girl and that of her parents. I scribbled a few things down. They are not verbatim:-

GB - Every family in the country felt for the McCanns. I wanted to convince them that everything possible, everything in our power, was being done.

The above was in response to the interviewer asking what his role was etc

GB Also stated that he did not know the family before the tragedy.

GB described Madeleines disappearance/abduction as 'The worst nightmare'

Brunt asked why we could not send our top detectives and experts over in a situation like this

GB replied - We offered our experts, some offers were taken up, but not others (inference) I know the PM of Portugal well and we did everything we could to assist (something like that - sorry this is not verbatim)

GB concluded - What I do know is the sympathies of the people of Britian are with this family

That was about it folks. Probably a better/more accurate version in print tomorrw.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:10 am

Thanks China, very interesting indeed. I bet he will take some backlash off the antis for that.
I have no time for Gordon Brown as a PM...but I admire his courage in speaking out on this subject. I am sure he knows some of the crap that has been written about him regarding the McCanns on the hate blogs....but he still spoke out.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:16 am

Mum21 wrote:Thanks China, very interesting indeed. I bet he will take some backlash off the antis for that.
I have no time for Gordon Brown as a PM...but I admire his courage in speaking out on this subject. I am sure he knows some of the crap that has been written about him regarding the McCanns on the hate blogs....but he still spoke out.

Me likewise Mum21 - but I respect him for his honestly and humanity in this matter

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Post by Shingle on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:59 am

Well with the connection of Gordon Brown and, in the face of there being not a shred of evidence, to suggest that Kate and Gerry had anything to do with Madeleine's disapearance.....it does not take long for them to trot out the time honoured "The government were in on it", theory.

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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:02 am

This darling little girl is a British citizen, it was down to the British Government to ensure everything that could be done was being done. I would have expected no less and if the Anti's had Madeleines best interests at heart they would have expected no less too.

Any chance this little girl had of being found, was lost, imo due to the shoddy work practices of an incompetent and lazy Police Force who put their own pride before that of a missing child. As for Lardy boy, he shouldn't have been allowed near the investigation let alone heading it.
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Post by clairesy on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:29 am

Tinkerbell43 wrote:This darling little girl is a British citizen, it was down to the British Government to ensure everything that could be done was being done. I would have expected no less and if the Anti's had Madeleines best interests at heart they would have expected no less too.

Any chance this little girl had of being found, was lost, imo due to the shoddy work practices of an incompetent and lazy Police Force who put their own pride before that of a missing child. As for Lardy boy, he shouldn't have been allowed near the investigation let alone heading it.

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nicely put tinks..100% agree with you to.lard arss is imo head of the juvenile cap at Portamao Police station hes good at it to.........Knows exactly how to cock it all up and turn it all bloody upside down
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Post by Royal on Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:03 am

WELL SPOTTED CHINADOLL!
ALROY.

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Post by vee8 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:53 am

Um, I might have to disagree a little here. I admit to being a labour voter, but that's neither here nor there in this discussion. When Madeleine was first abducted, Gordon Brown was fullsome in his support, because at the time the McCann's had a great deal of public sympathy. Then, when Kate and Gerry were made arguido's, he dropped them like a political hot potato. They couldn't even make an appointment to see him in person. Then, when the status was lifted, he is happy to be heard talking about them again. I am not saying that, on a personal level, he ever doubted them, or felt no genuine sympathy for them, but publically at least, he only seemed to support them when it was politically expedient to do so, and ignored them while he thought that to be seen to show any support for them could loose him votes. Sorry if that sounds cynical, but that's just my take on it.
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Post by dianeh on Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:16 am

Sometimes the reasons that people do things are not always obvious.

let me give you something to ponder.

How would Gordon Brown continuing to show public support for the McCanns after they had been made arguidos, been interpreted in Portugal? And then continue with that thought and consider the negative impact that would have resulted in the investigation.

I know that the investigation was already beyond help at this point, but I can imagine that it could have got a lot worse if the British Prime Minister was seen to be publicly undermining the investigation. And continuing to publicly support the McCanns would have been a slap in the face for Portugal and its justice system.

I am not saying I agree with his decision but he would have been given advice on how to act, which should have looked at all things, including what was best for the investigation.

I am sure that Gordon Brown's feeling were made known privately to the McCann's and his reasons for doing what he did. And I have only ever heard the McCanns talk with respect about Mr Brown.

And trust me when I say that my post has nothing to do with politics. I am neither British nor do I vote Labour. And in fact, Mr Brown is something of a non entity over here. Its like Britain failed to have a PM after Blair, that is until the financial crisis, and now he gets a fair bit of air play.
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Re: Gordon Brown on the McCanns - Breaking news

Post by Shingle on Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:53 pm

Vee,

Moving this case aside, and putting politics first, Gordon Brown did what any prime minister should have done. He supported British citizens abroad, when they most needed support.

Of one thing you can be certain, he will have been fully briefed on every aspect of this case before being exposed to the media on it. But he still chose to support them, and that tells a story.

No prime minister could have afforded to get involved in a case like this if there was the slightest doubt about this couple.

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Post by vee8 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:12 pm

Yeah, I suppose, thinking about it, you two have a point. As a world leader, I suppose he has to be careful what he says, and where he says it. I did say I don't doubt he sincerely believes in them, after all he is an inteligent man, and only those with the same I.Q. as a Mars Bar think they killed her. Being a polititian means there must be a straightjacket to be worn at times. It just goes to show there are always more than one way to see things.
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Post by Shingle on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:15 pm

Vee,

I love that bit.......only those with the same I.Q. as a Mars Bar think they killed her.

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:32 pm

vee8 wrote:Um, I might have to disagree a little here. I admit to being a labour voter, but that's neither here nor there in this discussion. When Madeleine was first abducted, Gordon Brown was fullsome in his support, because at the time the McCann's had a great deal of public sympathy. Then, when Kate and Gerry were made arguido's, he dropped them like a political hot potato. They couldn't even make an appointment to see him in person. Then, when the status was lifted, he is happy to be heard talking about them again. I am not saying that, on a personal level, he ever doubted them, or felt no genuine sympathy for them, but publically at least, he only seemed to support them when it was politically expedient to do so, and ignored them while he thought that to be seen to show any support for them could loose him votes. Sorry if that sounds cynical, but that's just my take on it.

Hi Vee8, I must say I have same intuition, have been all the time and I have said it before too.

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Post by Shingle on Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:04 pm

Minnea,

Dianeh covered this below, but have you thought what would have been said by people, if Gordon Brown had of been open in his support to them, after they were made aguidos.

You already have the fruit and nuts saying that they got away with it because the government intervened.

You already have the Fat Controller spreading his conspirecy theories, as the reason he could not crack the case (He would have problems cracking a peanut)

No I think that the support was maintained, but quietly and in the background.

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Post by Guest on Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:47 am

Shingle,

It is my opinion and it based on this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-500828/Madeleine-Gordon-Brown-snubs-request-No-10-meeting-McCanns.html

You all have seen how Martin Grimes set up Madeleine's parents, so how can you think Gordon Brown could be ignorant what happened? My opinion is that he let this hate campaign against Madeleine's parents happen (together with PJ).

I have seen what kind of people socialists are. Madeleine was abducted when socialists have power in Portugal and it was socialists who were involved in Casa Pia scandal and since when they got back to the power in 2005 they have buried the whole scandal and there is still abusers in Casa Pia orphanages.

Here are good articles about Casa Pia and what kind of massive cover up there has been when portuguese socialists politicians have protected these abusers.

http://tinyurl.com/6q6hbs

I don't trust any socialist not Portugal, not UK and not in Finland. And I don't trust Gordon Brown. I don't think he really support Madeleine parents. I trust british police and I think they are one of the best in the world, but when there is political pressure it is impossible for police to work.

I still wonder what happened for these three top police officers who "commited suicide" within four days in March, at least one of them was investigating Jersey case.

"and Bournemouth Inspector Neil Munro, who was found dead in the waters off Millionaire’s Row, in Dorset, where he was tasked with investigating the yachts of the superrich believed involved in this growing scandal."

http://katiesmith.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/police-suicides-whats-going-on/

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1079.htm

I don't think they made suicide, I believe they were murdered.

I know most of people don't like my opinions, but it doesn't matter, Madeleine is only one I want to help and I know I can't help her if I close my eyes and deny to see what I see. I know it would be wiser to be quiet and I know most of you (especially Maria) will attacks against me because I have said what I have said.

I have been very frustrated last months, when I see nothing happens and I have seen how the the lie only expands and swells, because only few people dare to say what they see. This evil is inside system sometimes, those who should protect us are actually our enemy.

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Post by Rosie on Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:17 am

as much as I would trust any politician I trust Gordon Brown. He only acts in the way he has to act. He came in for a lot of criticism because of trying to support this couple, he need not have done this if he was just thinking of his own hide.

Now it seems to me he is getting in trouble with the antis for intervening and doing his job and then by the same token he is getting into trouble with some of the pros for not intervening and doing his job.

Can he win? Doesn't seem like it to me.

I think it is very easy to see conspiracy theories where are there are none. You know sometimes things are quite simple.

The British government was not involved with Madeleine's abduction, they do not know who kidnapped her or who is holding or where she is.

Considering Brown's poll ratings and how popular he would suddenly become if he could bring Madeleine home and also be seen to take on and beat corruption elsewhere in the world, especially when it involves a small innocent child, I don' t think for one minute that he would not do this and bring Madeleine home.

For what possible reason or gain would Gordon Brown have for knowing the where abouts of an abducted child and not bringing her home?

What has Gordon Brown got to do with Martin Grimes?

Martin Grimes is not employed by the British government, he is not employed by the police.

Martin Grimes is an independent consultant with his own consultancy firm, he has no links with Gordon Brown.

Martin Grimes's business depends on him getting results.

I would like to see more done to investigate what led up to Grimes's involvement in PDL. Why he was asked to go months after the event and what and how he was briefed by Goncalo Amaral.

Sorry Minnea but I disagree with you on this one.

I think that right wingers have an agenda and put out much of this stuff, it is all lies and can be totally discredited.

Take for instance the ex solicitor Anthony Bennett, he has an agenda in seeing as much as possible dirt thrown at the McCanns, read a little more into his background and you start seeing links to right wing politics and then you also see that he believes that there was interference in this case by Gordon Brown and this centralist government.

So it is safe to say that he would like to see the back of this government and have a more right wing one in its place.

This is how these conspiracy theories start and they depend on people taking them at face value and then spreading them around the internet.

No way am I going to be hoodwinked into doing the work of these right wingers for them.

Gordon Brown did not snub the McCanns and with all respect, the Daily Mail is a right wing paper and hardly a day goes by without them placing some kind of anti government slur in their pages, they always do it against the Labour government. They usually save their biggest anti government headline for a Sunday and when you read it, you find the only thing sensational about it is the actual headline, the story below has no substance at all.

Brown could not be seen to hold this meeting with the McCanns, if he had done this, it could have been construed in so many different ways and Goncalo Amaral et al would have taken this and run with it and made it look as bad as they could. They have already tried to use the excuse that the British government was involved and this is why the fat bast ard could not do his job properly!

If Brown really was like this then why do Kate and Gerry have nothing but good to say about him?

Also by no stretch of the imagination could you call Gordon Brown and the Labour government a socialist government any of the Socialist parties would never agree with you on that at all. Some in the Labour party think he has sold them, out to be a more central government.

I am not going to do the extreme right wingers job for them and help spread their little conspiracy theories about. :no: :no: :no:

I know you want Madeleine home like we all do and I know that through your blog you try and so hard to expose what may be going on behind the scenes and I think you have points on much of what you say. I for one do not trust the Portuguese police or their judiciary, I think there is much wrong there and much that needs to come out and much that I think will come out.
But I cannot believe a British prime minister would know about this and do nothing, no matter who they are or what particular party they belonged to.

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Post by Guest on Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:54 am

Rosiepops wrote:
But I cannot believe a British prime minister would know about this and do nothing, no matter who they are or what particular party they belonged to.

Yes, I think this is the problem. You don't want to believe what you see.

But you all have seen how this Martin Grimes set up Madeleine's parents, you have long thread about it.

Martin Grimes is very british, he was in Jersey to with his dogs and these dogs found only coconut.

Who gave order for Martin Grimes to set up Madeleine parents, do you really think government and Gordon Brown should be ignorant what british police are doing together with PJ? I don't know is Martin Grimes indenpendent consult or not, but he worked as british police and it has been said all the time these dogs were police dogs. Who let this happen?

I don't blame british police, but I blame these politicians and I have seen there has been strong pressure by politicians in Jersey investigation too, I don't believe these 3 top officers made suicide.

Yes, I'm on right wing and I'm on right wing, because I have seen what kind of people socialists are and I have seen it in my own homeland, they lie all the time, because they don't care about truth.

I think only answer why Madeleine is still missing is that socialists keep power in both of countries in Portugal and in UK.

Yes, sorry, I know you don't like my opinion...

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Post by Rosie on Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:00 am

I have been around a long time and have seen politicians come and go, governments come and go and I am not blind to their faults. I have to say this, I have never seen anything by any British prime minister that would make me think they would cover up a crime as heinous as this.

If I saw that or believed it for one nanosecond I would start to shout so loudly they would hear me in Australia.

I feel we are doing the work of people like Anthony Bennett for him by talking of Gordon Brown in this fashion and all Bennett seems to want to do is cause as much ill feeling as possible for Kate and Gerry and this in no way is helping to find Madeleine or bring her back home again.

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