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Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again

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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:39 pm

Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again

Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol




The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine’s biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24Horas

Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine’s father, despite the fact that the couple has always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl’s paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter.

The doubt about her paternity, according to 24Horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl’s disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24Horas confirms that “concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is”.

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Post by calcite51 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:16 pm

I don't see the purpose of bringing this subject up - 24 Horas is a rag. We all know Madeleine was conceived by artificial insemination (as were the twins). Who in their right mind, would not say that errors (rare they may be but they do happen) may have resulted in Gerry NOT being the 'natural' father?? Hospitals have made numerous errors - wrong children given to the wrong parents, etc... Gerry, in every other sense of the word is Madeleine's father - end of story. I have seen the love this man has for his children and that is one item I would NEVER, EVER question.
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Post by dianeh on Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:38 pm

Unless Gerry gave DNA to the investigation, then of course there is no confirmation of Gerry's paternity.



The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is

And I think that this is exactly the truth. Without Gerry's DNA, there is not enough material for a determination. And I seriously doubt that they were given enough material to prove conclusively that Gerry is the twins father. Was DNA material from the twins, provided as well as DNA from Gerry, because that is what is needed. And my guess is no. And if they had that, and they also had a sample of Madeleine's DNA (the infamous 100% match, or control sample). Once the DNA is mapped of all the parties, then it is easy to determine the paternity. This article is absolute horse hockey. Printing rubbish like this is an insult to the readers. If they had the twins and Gerry's DNA mapped to prove 'absolute certainty' and they also had Madeleine's DNA then that was easily proved as well. So which is the lie, that there is absolute certainty on the twins, or doubt over Madeleine being fathered by Gerry. Because they both cannot be true.

And Gerry is Madeleine's father. Or else Gerry's twin must have fathered Madeleine, because Madeleine looks like him, has his nose, the same as the twins. And I remember one of the anti's trying to tell me that just because they look alike they dont have to have the same parents. Well, actually it is the opposite. Children with the same parents do not have to look alike, mine dont. But when children are as much alike as those three and share the same features, especially the nose, then of course they have the same parents. And it is most likely they were all conceived through the same IVF cycle, with the twins then being frozen. That is usually how it works, unless for some reason there are not enough viable embryos from the first try, and there has been nothing to tell us that this is the case. All three eggs, plus others would all have been fertilised at the same time.

And lets be very clear here, they are only saying 'MAY', because if it is inconclusive due to clarity of the DNA profile (and writing that I am laughing out loud, because when given good samples, there is no way that they cant get a correct profile), then it is equally likely that Gerry is her father, as it is that he isnt. In other words, they have no idea, one way or the other.

This story is a beat up and a smear. But reading it, I doubt they can be sued for it, unless it can be proven that the Forensic laboratory actually has the proof that Gerry is Madeleine's father. And this is because if the samples were not clear (huh??) or more likely, they dont even exist, then the article is true, and there is no evidence to prove Gerry is Madeleine's father.

Cheap lying b*****ds.
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Post by maria on Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:41 pm

IMHO who the father is is not the objective of yet another piece of the smear campaign. This is absolutely irrelevant. This news is one more attempt , desperate and late, to manipulate public opinion on this so-called investigation. The last news coming out (case reports vs Gonc's book) are again lightening up and opening minds. Dangerous.

It is urgently needed a parent to be guilty. They've tried first to implicate Kate, they tried everything even to sugest trading a lower sentence for a confession. She made use of her rights and kept silent. They moved then to Gerry. But he answered all questions, he seemingly wasn't offered the deal, he was cooperative all along...He wasn't 'deeply' investigated...

And as statiscs say, the majority of crimes of child abuse commited inside the family are commited by step-parents (fathers in first place), partners, etc., that is, someone who is not 'blood linked' to the child, so let's take advantage of that and cast the doubt about the IVF father. Opening the door to use again the excuse 'we couldn't have guessed'.

Typical of 24horas and Correio da Manha. The 'source' now is close to our respected INML, the forensic national authority.
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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:59 pm

I totally agree with you...it is a last ditch attempt to point the finger of blame in the direction of the parents. Gerry in particular. It works too...with the simple minded (Viv's lot)...because this is their current line of discussion.
Only a tabloid would print such rubbish...and only a fool would be taken in by it. In my opinion LardyBoy is behind this..... it is his style. The sooner they Ididn'tdoit him up...the better. Portugal and the average Portuguese person does not deserve this....in fact they deserve far better.

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A Lot of B******s!

Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:41 pm

This is such a lot of complete and utter b******s, paternity can be proved within a small percentage, this result would be exactly the same for the twins.

Today's DNA tests are so sophisticated that they deal with the probability of fatherhood in terms approaching absolute certainty.

If test had shown otherwise for Madeleine and Gerry, then this would have been known by now and it would have been in that fat idiot's book, because he would have known about it.

These tests obviously show that Gerry is most probably the father and having shown that then the DNA tests showing he isn't are one in several hundred million!

This disgusting and odious paper 24 Horas have obviously used the concept that Gerry may not be Madeleine's father on the proviso that there may be a several hundred million to one chance that he isn't.

Actually this would apply to each and every single one of us, *including* Madeleine's twin siblings as no one can say 100%, we can only say with "almost absolute certainty".

This is despicable and spurious reporting and it shows to what level the Portuguese press are going to sink to save their own odious lying thick headed faces and that of several fat ex members of the PJ.

Now does it surprise anyone with a modicum of intelligence that those thick headed dullards on Vile's cannot grasp the context of this stupid duplicitous report from 24 Horas? The fact that they are even giving it head room shows how stupid and how eaten up with malicious spite and bitterness they actually are.

They just cannot understand that the Kate and Gerry are wholly innocent, they have been exonerated by the Portuguese Attorney General, there is no evidence of their guilt, not even on *purposeful* neglect. They cling to any matchstick in the ocean, they listen avidly to that stupid pretendy solicitor woman and the sinister pretendy doc, and take the words of these *PROVEN* liars as some sort of gospel according to the snot green blog from hell and they latch on to anything and anyone that says the McCanns may be guilty, no matter how slender the chance or how utterly ludicrous it is.

This shows far more about the obvious inferior complexes of those people, it shows whopping great personality defects in their characters. Those idiots on that blog go on air daily to demonstrate their own ineffectualness and inability to function as whole compassionate people.

What a dreadful state to allow themselves to get into and how low are they next going to stoop in their never ending quest to make two people's lives as hellish as they possibly can?

it is past time those people woke up and realised just what it is they are doing and try to examine and amend the electronic footprint of hate, jealousy and venom they are leaving for anyone in their family, who in the future tries to trace their ancestors.

God what an awful and despicable and depraved lunatic legacy these people are leaving, do they really want their family to see them like this? It is shocking! affraid affraid affraid

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Re: Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again

Post by honestbroker on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:54 pm

Sian wrote:Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again

Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol




The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine’s biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24Horas

Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine’s father, despite the fact that the couple has always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl’s paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter.

The doubt about her paternity, according to 24Horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl’s disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24Horas confirms that “concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is”.

I found this from way back reported by The Telegraph interesting, Sian.

Detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old faced renewed criticism after it emerged that they did not collect the bedding from the room where Madeleine was sleeping.

Blankets, sheets and pillows from Madeleine's bed were not examined for evidence that could have shed light on what happened on the night of May 3.

Portugal's National Institute of Legal Medicine said they had received samples taken from the bedding but not the items themselves.

"We were only sent samples for DNA testing.

"It's obvious it would have been good if they had sent us the blankets, pillows and even the mattress where the girl was sleeping," said a source from the institute.

"We might have found on those articles some important clues, and not just hairs, which were what was sent to the institute.

"Speaking hypothetically, there could have been fibres belonging to an abductor, or even a fingerprint," he said.


It is, in no sense, a disparaging reflection on their institute to suggest, from this report, that while it may not be one word of a lie that they are unable to confirm Madeleine's paternity, they wouldn't.

By the time this report was filed, November last year, the FSS in Birmingham had firmly taken centre stage in all matters forensic. 24Horrors playing another blinder? Quite possibly!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569487/Madeleine-McCann-Police-blunders-revealed.html

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Post by clairesy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:14 am

Rosiepops wrote:This is such a lot of complete and utter b******s, paternity can be proved within a small percentage, this result would be exactly the same for the twins.

Today's DNA tests are so sophisticated that they deal with the probability of fatherhood in terms approaching absolute certainty.

If test had shown otherwise for Madeleine and Gerry, then this would have been known by now and it would have been in that fat idiot's book, because he would have known about it.

These tests obviously show that Gerry is most probably the father and having shown that then the DNA tests showing he isn't are one in several hundred million!

This disgusting and odious paper 24 Horas have obviously used the concept that Gerry may not be Madeleine's father on the proviso that there may be a several hundred million to one chance that he isn't.

Actually this would apply to each and every single one of us, *including* Madeleine's twin siblings as no one can say 100%, we can only say with "almost absolute certainty".

This is despicable and spurious reporting and it shows to what level the Portuguese press are going to sink to save their own odious lying thick headed faces and that of several fat ex members of the PJ.

Now does it surprise anyone with a modicum of intelligence that those thick headed dullards on Vile's cannot grasp the context of this stupid duplicitous report from 24 Horas? The fact that they are even giving it head room shows how stupid and how eaten up with malicious spite and bitterness they actually are.

They just cannot understand that the Kate and Gerry are wholly innocent, they have been exonerated by the Portuguese Attorney General, there is no evidence of their guilt, not even on *purposeful* neglect. They cling to any matchstick in the ocean, they listen avidly to that stupid pretendy solicitor woman and the sinister pretendy doc, and take the words of these *PROVEN* liars as some sort of gospel according to the snot green blog from hell and they latch on to anything and anyone that says the McCanns may be guilty, no matter how slender the chance or how utterly ludicrous it is.

This shows far more about the obvious inferior complexes of those people, it shows whopping great personality defects in their characters. Those idiots on that blog go on air daily to demonstrate their own ineffectualness and inability to function as whole compassionate people.

What a dreadful state to allow themselves to get into and how low are they next going to stoop in their never ending quest to make two people's lives as hellish as they possibly can?

it is past time those people woke up and realised just what it is they are doing and try to examine and amend the electronic footprint of hate, jealousy and venom they are leaving for anyone in their family, who in the future tries to trace their ancestors.

God what an awful and despicable and depraved lunatic legacy these people are leaving, do they really want their family to see them like this? It is shocking!
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absolutely well said rosie. I have read other things that disgusting paper have reported on and to be honest am disgraced with what they say about other things to. They seem to report things in a manner that they can escape legal consequences...carefully wording things that they know will cause suspicion amongst its readers.

They have without a doubt twisted the results that say gerry is probably the father to say.....'oh right so he is 'probably'(meaning he might not be??)

kind of like saying..............there is a 99% that gerry is her father...........but we will print the 1%chance he isn't?? and as a result they are successfully swaying the publics opinion on this family.

IMO there is a 99% chance that this paper is full of sh#t and deliberately spreading rumors to cover for there countries ever failing pj.............. but then im not getting done for libel 24 horas as im also saying there is a 1% chance that you are not.
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Post by Rosie on Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:59 am

Thanks Clairesy.

What also should not be forgotten, is that it is highly unlikely that they do not have other factors that point to all probability that Gerry is Madeleine's father, they have Madeleine's blood grouping and they have Gerry's. There is also the fact that Gerry came home to gather some DNA samples to provide a control sample for the FSS, this was reported, I believe it was some hair with roots attached and some saliva from Madeleine's pillow from her bed at home and accurate paternity tests can come from saliva, ie toothbrushes etc. Madeleine would also have had a toothbrush on holiday with her. If the Portuguese forensic science lab wanted, they could have used Madeleine's toothbrush.

Clairesy was bang on in her analogy, she can say that she thinks 24 Horas is guilty of writing 99% because there is a 1% chance that they are not and this is exactly the analogy they have used in suggesting that Gerry is not Madeleine's father, only the odds increase to one chance in several hundred million!

I also believe that this talk of "alleles" is just thrown into the mix to try and confuse people, people who are not fixated on having the McCann's guilty even if they are not and who just read a paper.

All alleles is, is an genotype of an individual that that person happens to possess, there is nothing confusing about it. In this case the paper is trying to suggest that the alleles do not prove with all certainty, well that is not unusual, no ones would, even the person that wrote that spurious deliberately misleading report, their alleles would produce exactly the same result!

That blunder with the bedding is already reported under PJ blunders but just wanted to emphasise that the FSS said they should have sent the mattress too!

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