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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:41 am

'One month later, on 11 June, the PSP police force in Amadora, received a report from a man who had just seen a girl with straight blonde hair, dressed in a track suit and with a mark in her eye in a restaurant in Mem Martins. The man spoke some words to her, called her Madeleine. According to the man's report the child reacting by shouting: "Help!"

The man the child was with – 30-40 years old, 1.70 m (5’ 7’’), swarthy complexion, "of Magreb origin", suddenly got up and left with the girl in a black BMW "with an NL disk", meaning that it was likely from Holland, the witness said. The police went to the scene of the sighting, but never traced the child or the BMW.'

Mem Martins is close to Lisbon

it will be intresting to see if this comes out in the police reports

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Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:59 am

I actually find this very disturbing and upsetting. It will be very interesting to see if this appears in the files and if it does what was actually done to investigate this properly.

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The famous fingerprint of a GNR officer

Post by christabel on Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:20 am

Rosiepops wrote:I actually find this very disturbing and upsetting. It will be very interesting to see if this appears in the files and if it does what was actually done to investigate this properly.

I wonder if this is true?
The famous fingerprint of a GNR officer

At the end of the investigative process, the Public Prosecutor's Office writes that enormous efforts went into the investigation. Mark Harrison, a British specialist and advisor to all police forces in the UK on missing persons, kidnappings and murders, drafts a report explaining that "extensive professional efforts" were made to "find Madeleine McCann alive".

The files reflect that effort: in the days immediately following the disappearance, hundreds of men and women from the Maritime Police, PSP, PJ and GNR - which coordinated the searches in the areas – were out looking for the girl. There are numerous reports of police officers across the country being sent out to petrol stations to view CCTV footage (especially when someone reported something suspicious), though it is certain that many images remained unseen because they are kept for a very short time and quickly taped over.

The files also contain many reports from police officers, from practically all parts of the country, who actively investigated the most slender of suspicions. On 4 May, for example, a woman was seen pushing a pram with a child in it: the PSP in Lagos were alerted and two inspectors immediately went to the scene. They look for the woman, found her in the street, spoke to the child and found out she was Portuguese. Couldn’t have been Maddie. There are several such episodes.

But the investigation is far from flawless. Anyone used to watching the US crime series "CSI" will see crime scenes being cordoned off. In Praia da Luz, on the night of the disappearance, things were nothing like that. "People who were in the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and from close by were going in and out of the property and walking around inside it at their leisure, without any restriction", says the first PJ inspector who arrived on the scene. "One GNR officer said they had looked for the girl inside the closets and other parts of the apartment without taking any precaution with regards to leaving traces of themselves on the scene, on the one hand, and removing or adulterating any other traces of interest, on the other."

The fingerprints found on the scene show precisely that. For days investigators endeavoured to establish to whom the fingerprints on a window in the McCanns' apartment belonged. Only after searching the databases of police forces from several countries – in vain – did they establish that the fingerprint belonged to a GNR officer. smellarat
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Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:33 am

Is this the same finger print that the antis keep trying to say belongs to Kate McCann? Did she join up to be a temp GNR while she was holiday then?
You know it sounds as if some of the officers involved were really trying to find Madeleine, what a pity they had a t****r for a boss who stopped them following up leads and then just stopped looking for Madeleine altogether by the beginning of June 2007! I bet the PJ and the GNR that really tried and who think that Madeleine was abducted have the right hump with Gonc for getting them tarred with the same brush.

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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:47 am

I have never understood where the anti's got that information from. Have you ever read anywhere that it was Kate's finger print?

It is the same with the alleged blood spots. A spot here...and a spot there.
People do not bleed to order. We all know if we even cut a finger...we leave a trail of blood spots from where we cut ourselves...to the kitchen sink.
It just does not add up at all. smellarat

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Hi Mum

Post by Tinkerbell43 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:53 am

Mum, if I cut myself, I leave more than a trail of blood, faint lol.

Joking aside you are right, it stinks!
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Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:06 am

Yes that's correct Mum, I have read the antis going on about this fingerprints being Kate's but I have never seen it mentioned as a fact.
same as the scent of death, why just in random places, wardrobe, behind sofa etc? Why just on Kate's clothes etc? If she were in that apartment and laying dead for a time, there would be moe information available than just these vague signals. Why not on Gerry's clothes? If they did kill Madeleine then they would have transferred more than just minuscule spots of blood and scent.

I think this sounds contrived, sounds like it could be a put up job.

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Kate's Fingerprint

Post by dianeh on Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:30 am

I take it we are talking about the fingerprint on the inside of the shutter. Is this is?

Without making excuses for why a fingerprint for someone staying in the apartment for a week would leave their fingerprints behind, I just want to say, that everywhere we stay (motels, hotels, even other people's houses), I go and check that the windows and doors are secure, and if necessary lock them, before we go to bed. And if we were in a street side apartment, I would check the shutter to make sure it is locked. She may have just given it a push.

If Kate had opened it and then locked it again, I would suggest that there would be more than just one fingerprint on it. There would be a whole set. And that is what I find strangest about the whole thing. A single fingerprint is ridiculous. I would additionally suggest it is a very real possibility that other prints from Kate on the window and shutter have been lost due to the contamination of the crime scene. That is a GNR officer put his hand over top of her prints, wiping them, or else the abductor did. After all, someone opened the shutters that Kate says were locked. And if it were a maid, then where were her fingerprints.

I would like to know how Kate managed to open the shutters with a single finger (or possible a thumb). This fingerprint thing is right up there for the award for biggest piece of tat to come out of the case. And again, if the abductor did, where is his/her fingerprints, and if wearing gloves, where is the smudge marks from the gloves. Anyone see a problem here??? Something not adding up, and I would put it down to the lack of expertise gathering forensics.


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Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:46 am

That is absolutely correct, what is so strange about her finger print being on the shutter anyway?

Perhaps Kate is good at opening locked shutters with just one finger or thumb?

It is the same with this row they were meant to have were Kate went and slept in the children's bedroom.

I would like to know who in their married lives has never had an argument and flounced off to sleep on the sofa or in the children's room for the night? This to me spells an ordinary couple, prone to ordinary arguments. Hands up who has done this at some point. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

K&G have been accused of not telling the police things but again we discover that this is not correct, they told the police they had a row and they also told the police that Madeleine had been crying, despite knowing how this would look, they still told the truth.
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Post by dianeh on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:00 am

The argument thing and Kate sleeping in the other room is being blown out of all proportion.

I bet it wasnt much of an argument, but if it was over Gerry's behaviour and he had had a few, then he was probably snoring, so Kate slept in the other room. I have done it a number of times, and thats even without the fight.

So what does this prove, they are human. And how is Kate sleeping in the other room got anything to do with Madeleine being abducted. Or has policing hit an all time low, and sleeping in separate rooms is now an indication of a crime.

Does that fat idiot have any idea how ridiculous this stuff is? Like I have said over and over, it is the need of the stupid fat idiot to link every thread of the McCanns life to this 'crime' that is the clearest indicator of their innocence. For any crime, most of what happens around that time is unrelated and just part of normal life, and any attempt to turn normal life into criminal activities just proves that certain people thought that they could prove a circumstantial case through an vast quantity of accusation, in lieu of any evidence. What sort of policing is that?
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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:07 am

the finger print was a member of gnr according to the police files.

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Post by maria on Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:55 pm

In Portugal, women are not supposed to end a row sleeping on the couch or extra bed, they are supposed to be given a good pair of slaps and turn to the other side on their marital bed. At least, women ready to accept blindly that, sure, the parents, ie the mother, did it.

Rosie is correct because Gonc is now discovering the inconsistencies of his own fictional investigation.
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Post by Rosie on Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:37 pm

Gonc is now discovering just how his duplicitious words are coming back to bite him on his fat behind!

Diane is quite correct, Gonc's efforts in attempting to link every aspect and every word and sentence, phone call, text etc; As proof of Kate and Gerry's guilt, has in the end just proved nothing, only that he (Goncalo Amaral) was a very bad detective is single minded and foolishly obstinate and had only one objective, to prove these parents guilty, whether they actually were or not. If this wasn't such a tragedy, one could be in absolute hysterics at fat boy lardy arse's attempts at investigation. He makes Inspector Clouseau look like the detective of the millennium!

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Post by dianeh on Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:26 am

Maria, it time the women of Portugal punished their men for those slaps. There are many ways they can be punished, until they fall into line, and none of them require violence. Just make their lives uncomfortable until they get the message. Easy. And its time also, that the men were reported and punished for the slaps. Violence towards women should not be condoned under any circumstances. The message given to the children is appalling and ensures the continuation of the violence through future generations. I always assumed that most of Europe had the same attitude to violence against women as Australia, but I guess I was wrong. But I should have known, I used to work with a lovely lady who emigrated from Portugal when I worked up on the Whitsunday Islands. And she told me heaps of stuff about Portugal (this was early 90's) and the problems her mother was having after a divorce (her father was still in Portugal, he never came to Australia). And I was shocked (there were physical threats, and stolen property, accusation etc and I know that he used to beat her while they were still married), but I thought it was just him, I didnt realise that it was a way of life in Portugal. One would hope that the situation is getting better, as the younger women refuse to be a party to it.

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Re: i found this in the mccann files intresting

Post by maria on Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:38 am

The translation doesn't come from the mccannfiles, but gerrymccannblogs. And I find this interesting!

07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725

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Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref n? 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

With compliments.

PP The Director of the SPL

Armando Santos
(Haed of Sector)
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1724

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Letter

To: Scientific Police Laboratory

Date: 5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007 from P da L.

By means of this note I am sending a set of child?s pyjamas to the Scientific Police Laboratory.

The pyjamas are of Marks $ Spencers make and size 2/3 years, 97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces, a camisole without buttons and half length sleeves, pink in colour with designs and letters and white trousers with floral motifs (small), on the right leg there is a design (smaller size) that is the same as the design on the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are ?equal? in make, model, size, colours and designs and presumably texture, as those the girl was wearing at the moment of her disappearance.

The article sent serves for eventual comparison with ?fibres? collected during the competent examinations carried out by staff from the SPL, within this inquiry.

Compliments.

G. Amaral

(Note: there is handwriting over the text which I can?t fully make out).

But I could. It is a handwritten copy of the answer (page 1723) followed by 'Send official letter to DIC of Portimão under the terms of present dispatch' signed by illegible
07 Processos Vol II Page 1725

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<td>07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1725</TD></TR>
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Handwritten)

Examinations Carried Out

BG ? 200708360

8359
8357
7143

CR/L ? 200708272

8271
8270
8269
8268
7357
7356
7116
7060
Total ? 13 examinations


So Amaral sent a brand new pyjama from Marks & Spencer to compare fibres that were NOT collected from the bed!!!

I bet they didn't collect anything from the bed so that they would not undo the bed!!!...


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Re: i found this in the mccann files intresting

Post by kazcut on Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:45 am

Guest wrote:'One month later, on 11 June, the PSP police force in Amadora, received a report from a man who had just seen a girl with straight blonde hair, dressed in a track suit and with a mark in her eye in a restaurant in Mem Martins. The man spoke some words to her, called her Madeleine. According to the man's report the child reacting by shouting: "Help!"

The man the child was with – 30-40 years old, 1.70 m (5’ 7’’), swarthy complexion, "of Magreb origin", suddenly got up and left with the girl in a black BMW "with an NL disk", meaning that it was likely from Holland, the witness said. The police went to the scene of the sighting, but never traced the child or the BMW.'

Mem Martins is close to Lisbon

it will be intresting to see if this comes out in the police reports

i remeber this they did contact him
there is a photo of him ill look for you .but he isnt swarthy

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Post by kazcut on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:05 am

ive got some posters trying to find the photo .ill post when we have made it our mission lol

remember this one even the detective who came out said "its her " they zoomed to her eye.this girl wouldnt stay quiet and was posting it everywhere




The parents of Madeleine McCann are waiting to be shown CCTV footage of a girl said to bear a "striking resemblance" to the missing four-year-old which was filmed less than a week ago.

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A Dutch student spotted the child at a roadside café in Montpellier in southern France last Friday, and claims the girl responded when she called out "Madeleine" to her.

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A "tall, swarthy" man who was with her put a hat on the girl’s head and immediately bundled her away, according to Melissa Firing, who says the girl had the same distinctive fleck in one eye as Madeleine.
Miss Firing, 18, who lives in the Dutch town of Nijmegen but is a student in Barcelona, told the Daily Telegraph: "I just wish I had tried to hold onto the man as he left.
"But I have gone over it in my mind, and looking back on it, I think I was just too shocked to try to do that.
"I have been following the Madeleine case and I was surprised and shocked when I saw the girl.
"All I hope now is that because of my calling the police it will lead to the little girl being found."
French police were already investigating allegations that young children, including babies, are being "sold" at impromptu auctions in car parks along the Mediterranean coast.
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, described the sighting as "encouraging" because Miss Firing had described specific details about the girl which made the sighting "more worthy than most".
The entire incident was captured on the restaurant’s CCTV cameras and the footage has been seized by French detectives, who are expected to send a copy to Leicestershire Police so that the McCanns can see it for themselves.
Since Madeleine went missing from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz last May there have been numerous sightings of her across Europe and in North Africa, all of which have proved false.
Mr Mitchell said the McCanns, who remain official suspects, had been informed of the sighting on Tuesday, but were wary of becoming "emotionally committed" until they had seen the footage for themselves.
Miss Firing told the Hart van Nederland newspaper: "When I saw the little girl, I recognised her immediately. At first I could not believe it. She was about six feet away from me.
"I was listening to music out loud on my mobile phone and the girl started dancing to it.
"Then I called out 'Madeleine’ and she looked up.
"The man with her was about six feet tall, with black hair, a black leather jacket and several days growth of stubble.
"When I shouted out, he put on her coat and hat and bundled her away.
"I tried to take a picture of her on my phone, but I did not get it. I called the police but they kept me waiting on hold for half an hour. Finally they arrived and took the CCTV film from the restaurant.
"They took me back to the police station and showed it to me and I could see myself on film behind Madeleine with my mouth open in shock.
"I truly hope it was her and I have helped find her."
The manager of the L’Arche restaurant on the A9 near Montpellier confirmed he had given his CCTV footage to police. The man, who asked not to be named, said: "We have the CCTV on all the time, and there is more than one camera, so there is a lot to look at. None of us noticed this little girl ourselves."
Mr Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry hope they will get to see this material soon. The sighting does, on the face of it, sound encouraging. The girl concerned is certain it is Madeleine and Leicestershire Police and the Portuguese police are now liaising with the French through Interpol to establish the truth or otherwise of this sighting.
"We are not going to get overexcited about anything but there is detail in this sighting that makes it more worthy than most.
"We have been aware of this for 24 hours and the police are working on it as well as our own investigators.
"As with previous sightings, Kate and Gerry don’t want to become emotionally committed to this until they hear from the authorities that there is something to it. It is a real rollercoaster and they don’t want to make it any worse."
A Montpellier police spokesman said: "The girl claims she spotted her at a restaurant.
"A specialist unit is examining CCTV footage taken in the area and we are making a thorough investigation of what she believes she saw."
The sighting came as French police confirmed they were investigating an alleged trade in kidnapped children which has seen babies offered for sale for as little as £7,000.
Detectives believe Eastern European crime gangs are snatching children before holding impromptu "auctions" in motorway service stations and supermarket car parks.
In July 2007 shoppers at a Carrefour in Monaco reported the attempted abduction of a four-year-old girl who managed to flee in tears as her abductors tried to cut her hair. The criminals drove off in a car with foreign numberplates.
In another incident near Bordeaux in the same month, a Romanian family tried to sell a two-month-old girl for £7,000 in a supermarket car park. The child’s 15-year-old mother was arrested at the scene together with three adults.

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Post by Cath on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:26 am

maria wrote:The translation doesn't come from the mccannfiles, but gerrymccannblogs. And I find this interesting!

07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725







07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref n? 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the abovementioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.

With compliments.

PP The Director of the SPL

Armando Santos
(Haed of Sector)
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1724







07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1724

Letter

To: Scientific Police Laboratory

Date: 5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007 from P da L.

By means of this note I am sending a set of child?s pyjamas to the Scientific Police Laboratory.

The pyjamas are of Marks $ Spencers make and size 2/3 years, 97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces, a camisole without buttons and half length sleeves, pink in colour with designs and letters and white trousers with floral motifs (small), on the right leg there is a design (smaller size) that is the same as the design on the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are ?equal? in make, model, size, colours and designs and presumably texture, as those the girl was wearing at the moment of her disappearance.

The article sent serves for eventual comparison with ?fibres? collected during the competent examinations carried out by staff from the SPL, within this inquiry.

Compliments.

G. Amaral

(Note: there is handwriting over the text which I can?t fully make out).

But I could. It is a handwritten copy of the answer (page 1723) followed by 'Send official letter to DIC of Portimão under the terms of present dispatch' signed by illegible
07 Processos Vol II Page 1725







07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1725
Handwritten)

Examinations Carried Out

BG ? 200708360

8359
8357
7143

CR/L ? 200708272

8271
8270
8269
8268
7357
7356
7116
7060
Total ? 13 examinations


So Amaral sent a brand new pyjama from Marks & Spencer to compare fibres that were NOT collected from the bed!!!

I bet they didn't collect anything from the bed so that they would not undo the bed!!!...

Good job Maria. I'm not sure if he's actually asking them to compare them to fibres from the bed.
They just didn't collect fibres, nowhere.
Not from the bed, nor Murat's place, the garage, the Polish couple's apartment....

Btw that date Date: 2007/03/15 looks a bit odd. Perhaps it's a reference?


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Post by kazcut on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:29 am

the car wasnt a black bmw i dunno where they got that from it was a black volvo reg had nl in it ,
all the old news has gone but ill find

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Post by Catkins on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:30 am

Just what I was thinking Cath......compare them to what ???
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Post by kazcut on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:56 am

i give up bloody black bmw vuv blue volvo nl
how many resturants /cars /suspects for heavens sake

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Post by jackf on Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:34 am

Kaz, the BMW, mem martin sighting was in Portugal, near Lisbon the one you are thinking of was in the south of France it's two different occasions and two different cars.
I don't remember hearing anything else about the BMW, was it ever traced and ruled out ?

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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:13 am

Cath said:-

Good job Maria. I'm not sure if he's actually asking them to compare them to fibres from the bed.
They just didn't collect fibres, nowhere.
Not from the bed, nor Murat's place, the garage, the Polish couple's apartment....


Cath, they seemed to do quite a bit of work tracing the Polish couple to the extent they requested their apartment remain uncleaned. But as you rightly say there then appears no follow up to this whatsoever. Were they even interviewed ? why was he taking pictures of other peoples children on the beach ? where are these photos ? etc etc.
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Post by Cath on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:10 pm

Tinks they did a pretty good job on tracing the Polish. I'm talking about Carlos and some other Inspectors. Unfortunately he forgot (Carlos) to ask the Polish Police to have a look at that camera (no signatures of GA or Almeida on the correspondence).

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Post by maria on Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:35 pm

Btw that date Date: 2007/03/15 looks a bit odd. Perhaps it's a reference?

To me, it is just a typing mistake. If you look to the numeric pad, 6 is just above 3, and June is the right month for this message.
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