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Post by Mobira on Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:11 am

I have a question about the proceeds from Amaral's book. I have read it is to go to charity, but my question is HOW MUCH of the proceeds will go to charity? Surely, with an upcoming court case (as the Portuguese prosecutor has decided that Amaral, in contrast to the McCanns, does have a case to answer to in court) Amaral, with no job, retired at 48, must be in dire need of money to pay lawyer fees etc. Are we to beleive that he has chosen not to benefit AT ALL from having spent months writing this book?
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Post by clairesy on Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:50 am

Hmmmm good question...I should imagine he will be retracting the words slightly though...there must be some small print somewhere which reads something like...0.1% of all proceeds go to charity.And as the old saying goes...charity begins at home!!!!affraid affraid
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Post by Mobira on Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:17 am

clairesy wrote:Hmmmm good question...I should imagine he will be retracting the words slightly though...there must be some small print somewhere which reads something like...0.1% of all proceeds go to charity.And as the old saying goes...charity begins at home!!!!affraid affraid

Hi clairesy, I would guess so too. Also, we KNOW that the damages the McCanns were paid went directly to the Maddie fund as the newspapers themselves clearly stated that THEY had paid the money into the fund. So, unless we get clear confirmation from the publishers that the proceeds are actually being paid to charity, it's anyone's guess how much of it will really end up in Amaral's pocket.
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Post by clairesy on Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:28 am

Maybe the local wine shop and Lambert and butler company will earn a nice profit from the book too LOLLLLLL

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Post by janeGT on Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:02 am

huh

so proceeds from this so called 'book' (not) are going to Charity. the F.A.
CHARITY no doubt. (HIS OWN FOOD MOUNTAIN FUND)

viz FEED AMARAL.

AKA DAM ... FEAR ALE :sleep:

BE WARNED GONC. YOUR DAYS ARE HOPEFULLY NUMBERED!!!! :P :x :bounce: :cheers:
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Post by Rosie on Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:05 am

60% Goes To Lawyers Benevolent Fund
30% Goes To Portuguese PJ Society For ex Cops Without a Job Facing A Criminal Trial
10% Goes To Cigars and Wine Charity


Amaral Ididn'tdoit Cristovao Ididn'tdoit Marques Ididn'tdoit Bom Ididn'tdoit Cardosa Ididn'tdoit

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:36 am

unbelievable im speech less

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Post by Mandz on Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:17 am

Honest to goodness what is that man on apart from his power trip? It beggars belief that he has got away with everything he has said and done. I wonder if Portugal’s hierarchy want the McCann’s to sue him? Ididn'tdoit moony :club: loser


Will Maddie now be put on Portugal’s missing/abducted children’s (whatever the correct name is) list –because my understanding she was NOT on this list.
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Post by dianeh on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:29 am

Of course Madeleine should be put on the Missing Children's list. She was left off because her parents were arguidos in her disappearance. That is no longer the case, so lets hope that Madeleine becomes officially 'missing' now.

After 14 long long months.

It just shows that the arguido status is considered 'suspect' status in Portugal as well, although the PJ have tried to deny this on numerous occasions. You know, how it was better for the McCanns to be arguidos. Funny how when they are arguidos, no one looks for Madeleline anymore and she is not a 'missing child', yet no one knew where she was/is.

It is a disgrace.
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well said dianeh

Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:07 am

well said dianah,and mandz what an excellent point

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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:19 pm

I think 100% goes for PJ. Amaral, Christovao, Rebelo, they are all same stuff.

Now they are going to show us this twisted game. Amaral against all. These "trials" (Casa Pia/Amaral) are just fake. When the Socialists got to the power again 2005 (Most of Casa Pia abusers were socialists) they began to advocate the Casa Pia charges down. Example these Casa Pia abusers are all free men and abusers in Casa Pia orphanages still continuing (according to Catalina Pestana)


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Post by dianeh on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:27 pm

That is sad to hear, that a western, civilised country allows paedophiles to walk free. Especially when other western countries are increasing the sentences for paedophiles and imposing stricter after gaol conditions. And the national paedophile registers.

Hopefully there are enough good people that are sick of the status quo, to start to change things there.

And the children will get the protection they deserve.
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Post by clairesy on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:52 pm

dianeh wrote:That is sad to hear, that a western, civilised country allows paedophiles to walk free. Especially when other western countries are increasing the sentences for paedophiles and imposing stricter after gaol conditions. And the national paedophile registers.

Hopefully there are enough good people that are sick of the status quo, to start to change things there.

And the children will get the protection they deserve.

Hi diane.Sad thing is even in other western countries you cant always protect kids from these sorts.But you would think they would at least give victims some dignity..a bit of justice too. Down grading and undermining this crime by allowing these ar##holes to walk free is telling victims that it isn't really that bad at all.And that the hurt they are suffering because of someone else is nonpunishable. These kids will no doubt have to bare the consequences of this for the a long long time.Feeling humiliated, ashamed, guilt ridden and hurt...and all in a country where the government seem to allow the culprits to walk free surely would make those feelings even worse.How can you tell someone they aint done nothing wrong to be feeling so hurt, when you have not punished the one who has done wrong???Its adding insult to injury in a big way.What a frigging nightmare. :cry: And a lot of these children who were abused there are now adults..which proves they are still hurting from their time at casapia.Good on them for coming out and speaking their minds..telling of the sick stuff that was pushed onto them by their own sodding gov failures..
Rosie hit the nail on the head when she said in another post that the EU should get involved with this country as the government seem to have no control there at all.


Sadly portugal isn't the only country to have these failures though...here in wales we had a case where a similar thing happened in a children's home up north...staff there abused children as far back as the 60's..it only came to light in recent years after the adult children were coming forward with accounts of sickening crimes they suffered there.And of course we have the more recent case in gersey where adults who were orphaned there have now come forward to give their stories of abuse they suffered at the hands of those who are suppose to be looking after them. :cry:


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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:54 pm

Yes Dianeh. And very sad thing is, when somebody abducts your child in country like Portugal, there is no opportunity to find her because of the way their law is constituted.

But most sad thing is that looks like even british police didn't care to find Madeleine, they just followed PJ like silent lambs. I wonder if it because in both countries Socialists have power. Amaral "attacks" against Gordon Brown, but I wonder if it is only some kind of theatre, because I have never seen Brown commiserated Madeleine's parents or wanted to help them. He turned his back for them.

And there is this co-incidence too, Madeleine was abducted about same when Gordon Brown got the power. So there might be some kind of political connection behind this abduction.

I wonder after all this, if Madeleine's parents never have opportunity to find Madeleine or even find out what happened to her. If their private investigators have some kind of evidences how they can charge anyone without support of official authorities...

I just can't stand this...How could they do this for innocent little girl...

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Post by dianeh on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:21 pm

I am Australian, so I have no loyalty to the British police, and it is my opinion that they have acted properly in this. It is not the place of any police force to interfere in the policing activities of another sovereign state. The British Police offered their help, and it was refused. The British Police investigated in Britain, they checked sightings, took witness statements. They did whatever they could, within the agreement between the two countries. I think it was obvious that the British police didnt share the PJ's 'hunch' that the McCanns killed Madeleine, and after that became obvious to the PJ, that is when the trouble erupted, and Gonc made his statements and was sacked.

Gordon Brown has done a lot, probaby more than would be expected. He has raised the case at high level meetings (even after the McCanns were made arguidos), but once again, it is not his place to interfere in another countries internal affairs. Gordon Brown does sympathise with the McCanns, and I believe that he wishes he could more to help. It will be interesting to see if further help is forthcoming now that the case has been shelved in Portugal. The British police can now investigate further without causing any problems. BUT they will not be able to go into Portugal to investigate there, as they will have no jurisdiction. They would need to be granted permission, and that would be doubtful, as the case is now shelved. But private investigators can go, and they can provide any information they provide to the British Police. I dont know what will happen but I do think that the British police will offer assistance, what that will consist of, I have no idea. And if the private investigators do find Madeleine and the abductor, I am sure that the details will be provide to the British police, possibly Interpol as well as the PJ.

Trust me when I say that the British police did not meekly follow like lambs and they would have investigated as much as they were able from Britain. There is not that much that they could do, being that the crime occurred in Portugal. Child abduction and abuses of children are considered as heinous crimes in Britain, and the culprits are pursued and locked away for as long as the law allows (assuming of course that some demented old judge doesnt let them out earlier). No form of child abuse is tolerated in Britain and when detected it is dealt with. It is not hidden away and excuses made, or hidden behind secrecy laws. You will see with the Jersey case, it will be public and those that are guilty will be dealt with publicly. And they will be punished.

Minnea, thank you for your views on the British police. It never occurred to me that someone would think they have not been doing their job, or acting in the best interests of Madeleine. In fact, the anti's accuse the British Police of covering for the McCanns, or pandering to them. Which is the opposite to your opinion. Strange isnt it, how we all see different things, even in regards to the British Police. But I think we do all agree on the PJ though.
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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:44 pm

Yes Dianeh, I hope you're right, i'm just so tired and angry, because for me it looks like british police did nothing to find Madeleine and I'm very disappointed on them. If they had will, they would have found her. And Gordon Brown refused to meet Madeleine Parents (this happened), looked like most important thing for him was to be lojal for Portugal and PJ.

Also British press published all kind of sick theories of PJ...And if Madeleine's investigators have some kind of evidences against Murat/Malinka/Walczuch it is maybe impossible to charge them because british court decided they must be innocent (because all these press leaks) even nobody has been investigated them yet. (PJ's "investigation" was not investigation at all)

Maybe it is because, I just don't like Gordon Brown and there was paedophile scandal (Operation Ore or something like that) and Labour-party covered it up. I hope there will be big change in Great Britain.

But these are only my feelings...


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Post by Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:45 pm

Even if all the proceeds went to a proper charity, the book shouldn't be published. You can't write something that is described as "potentially libellous" about the McCanns after they have been cleared and then think it is OK, because it is for charity! The man seems to have his head in a very dark part of his anatomy. affraid

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Post by janeGT on Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:32 pm

Minnea

I wholeheartedly agree with Diane here - and I don't think you have the facts on operation ore.....there certainly was no 'cover up; ' and Gordon Brown and the UK government and all politicians would NEVER condone such activity.

The UK Police were not ALLOWED to assist the PJ as they offered to help and were REFUSED. More than once I might add.....!!!!
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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:33 am

I look at this as an outsider, because I'm an outsider. I hope nobody don't mix any kind of patriotic feelings to this. Portuguese people seems to think if somebody criticize PJ and politicians, he criticize portuguese people. I don't criticize Great Britain or british people, when I criticize Gordon Brown/british police. I use to criticize my own homeland's politicians too.

I am just surprised this silence around Madeleine and how nothing has happened during a year and we still have no slightest idea what happened to Madeleine, only different speculations and theories, we are still in start point besides nobody seems to know anymore what is true and lie. For me as an outsider it looks like british police/politicians didn't use all the possible ways to find Madeleine and PJ and Portugal press has been free to publish all kind of sick theories and accusations against Madeleine's parents in Great Britain. There is something wrong in this.

Of course there has been lot of people, who are helped Madeleine parents, but I'm not so convinced Gordon Brown and his cabinet belongs to them.

Have Madeleine's parents been sure about it?

The McCanns ‘Don’t turn you’re back on us’: Kate and Gerry McCann feel let down by Gordon Brown

December 10, 2007 – 8:45 pm

While Kate and Gerry, both 39, had no plans to attend the talks, their lawyers Kingsley Napley and millionaire supporters Brian Kennedy, Sir Richard Branson and Stephen Winyard are apparently keen to update the PM on the strength of their defence.

The couple’s representatives, dubbed Team McCann, have also contacted the Foreign Office and the Home Office after growing concerns that the Government has turned its back on the family’s plight.

After Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3, Mr Brown pledged his support to the four-year-old’s parents during a series of phone calls with Gerry.

But as soon as the pair were named “arguidos” - official suspects - by Portuguese police on September 7 all lines of communication were closed."


I remember when on May 2007 PJ refused to let world best sniffer tracing dogs, which were capable of discovering scents which are as old as 28 days to help in the search for Madeleine and (I can guess it was because, PJ didn't want nobody find Madeleine alive).

http://www.k9magazine.com/viewarticle.php?sid=15&aid=2015

But after that happened something and british police send these cadaver dogs Eddie and Keela (dogs trained to detect the presence of blood and dead bodies so on...) and some curious way british police and british dogs become a part of these PJ's sick theories, where was only one alternative, Madeleine's parents must be guilty. Nobody of them tried to find Madeleine alive anymore. British police looked just like silent lambs which faithfully do what their leader (PJ) want them to do.

I´m so sorry my opinions, but I'm so frustrated and angry for Madeleine and her parents. Last days I just have asked WHY?, how it is even possible despite massive investigation everything seems to be in start point. I just hope so much as all of you Madeleine will be found...

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Post by Rosie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:52 am

With regard to the British government and patriotism, I think if you look into our history, you will find us Brits will really go for any politician or bent policeman, no matter what political persuasion they may be. When something happens here it does not really matter who the person is the public will put on tremendous pressure, whether it is an ordinary policeman, the man at the top, an MP or a member of the cabinet right through to the prime minister himself. We do not and will never back a bent copper or politician, no matter who or what they are or what our political persuasion may be!

Gordon Brown cannot win if he speaks for the McCann's he s wrong and if he doesn't he is wrong, but he does have certain guidelines he has to adhere to.

Believe me our government will not cover anything up, just look what will happen in the Jersey case, it will be heard in public and the ins and outs of it all will be printed, unlike the drachonian archaic secrecy laws of Portugal.

As Diane has said the British police have been attacked by the antis for interfering and Gincalo Amaral got the boot because he attacked the British press for actually favouring the McCann's!

I understand your frustration though, especially seeing this fat creep lording it about and seemingly getting away with it, but don't worry his day is coming.

Sass is right too, doesn't matter if the monied donated from the sales of this book total 100%, if the books is a load of lies, he still cannot and *will not* be allowed to get away with it.

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Post by tulip on Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:27 am

Diane and Rosie are correct Minnea.

The UK's politicians and police simply cannot interfere in the affairs of another country. There are universal rules governing such involvement and crossing the boundaries could cause an international incident. Particularly when the people concerned are suspects in a crime. However angry we feel we cannot ignore this fact. Imagine the uproar if, say a French child were to disappear in the UK in similar circumstances, and the French government were to butt in telling our police what to do.

I'm sure that the government has done everything it can to protect the McCanns. After all, they are home safe in England, unharmed physically, with their family. If they hadn't had the support of the British authorities, Kate could have ended up looking like Leonor Cipriano. If it is so difficult to have political influence in places like Zimbabwe, where human rights have ceased to exist, how impossible it must be to interfere in the affairs and processes of a fellow-European country. I'm sure that any behind-the-scenes efforts that could be made have been made.

As for Amaral, I hope his arrogance will be his downfall.
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Post by maria on Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:44 am

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You also have the wrong information on the Casa Pia process. Abuses there date from ever. They were reported to the President of the republic Gen. Ramalho Eanes back in the early 80's and to the Director at the time. None of them was socialist. No one cared about it, except for a teacher there who was kicked out.

The current process, as you stated, has a political base/agenda, but it is absolutely the reverse of what you got. The whole process was built to behead the socialist party, in disgusting and shameless investigation under the secrecy laws, while PS (Socialist Party) were in the opposition and very probably were going to win the previsible elections (the social democrats were already in total disarray, with Barroso moving to EU), as they actually did. Just an example, PJ decided to mix photos of people totally allien to the case with those of wellknown media people and politicians, absolutely no suspicion of connection, with others of well know 'customers' of Casa Pia, and showed them to the 'children' who identified people like the President of the socialist party and socialist members of the parliament on top of the wellknown paedos in there. Funny enough, apart from the wellknown ones, only socialists, in the opposition, remember, were identified. One wonders about the choice of photos showed to the children and teens. Can you believe there are no paedophiles in other parties? Have they all gathered in PS? Do you REALLY believe that?

And another thing. The cover up, if there was one, was during the time the socialists were in opposition while the investigation was going on, the process is in court for 3 years now -- the socialists were elected in 2005, exactly three years, exactly when no cover up was possible anymore. Several cases were extracted from the main process and tried already. As far as I know, there were no political connections on these nor any ring identified. They all were sentenced.

For the record, I am not a socialist not even close. But that doesn't blind me. I see were the accusations come from, how the 'investigation' was carried out, who were the accused and their records as people, who were and are the victims.
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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:07 am

I don't have nothing to do with these Anti-Mc-Cann's accusations against Brown, actually I am surprised their accusations, because Brown and his cabinet has been very silent. I don't have also any specific information what UK police and politicians have done, I just read news and make my own conclusions of them.

Tulip:

After all, they are home safe in England, unharmed physically, with their family. If they hadn't had the support of the British authorities, Kate could have ended up looking like Leonor Cipriano.

Yes it is true and you are absolutely right. But when UK police/politicians have not send Kate and Gerry to portuguese prison was this really some kind of expression of support either?

Quote: (Madeleine: Gordon Brown ’snubs request for No 10 meeting with McCanns’
December 10, 2007)

So But as soon as the pair were named “arguidos” - official suspects - by Portuguese police on September 7 all lines of communication were closed."


So it means in critical moment of Madeleine's parents life official Britain turned its back on the Madeleine's parents plight.

It gave signal:

Official UK accepted PJ could be right when they blamed Madeleine parents and official UK accepted these PJ accusations and sick theories against Madeleine's parents could be right.

Also british papers were full of PJ´s lies and propaganda. It was real witch hunt against Madeleine's parents. And nobody did nothing to stop it.

Tulip:

If French child were to disappear in the UK in similar circumstances, and the French government were to butt in telling our police what to do.

If French child were to disappear in the UK in similar circumstances and UK authorities would not do nothing to find child and instead of searchings they would start to spread stupid and implausible theories how parents killed their child, I think France would use different ways to pressure british authorities, because child is citizen of France. At least they would start their own investigation and they would use different channels (co-operate with other countries) and ways to find out what happened.

When UK authorities saw there was lot of wrong in PJ's investigation (I'm sure they saw), they should have done their own conclusions and find their own ways to find missing british child, not just accept this failed investigation of PJ, when british child is missing.

I just ask what happened to moral support of official Britain. Passivity is form of evil too.

Why Madeleine's parents have their own investigators, does it mean british authorities have not helped Madeleine parents to find their daughter?

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Post by Guest on Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:15 am

Oh, if I understood you think Casa Pia scandal was some kind of cabal against Socialists?

Sorry but scandal broke in September 2002 and next elections came in 2005! Socialists were not going to win nothing when scandal broke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_Pia_child_sexual_abuse_scandal

"The Prime Minister at the time, José Manuel Durão Barroso, whose Social Democratic Party ousted the Socialists in March 2002, promised to bring life and honor back into the Casa Pia child's homes and allow new director Catalina Pestana reform to the institution. As a result, several senior staff of Casa Pia were fired after the 2002 revelations."

And why in 2006 Portugal quietly relaxed law (Socialists got the power 2005), ahead of the forthcoming Casa Pia trial (if it never comes), meaning that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence."

Why Socialists want to protect Casa Pia abusers and arrange lesser sentences for them?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html

"As well as growing fears that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile ring, they can have little hope of justice when leading Portuguese figures are allegedly involved in covering-up their own child sex scandal.

Both cases - the two highestprofile criminal investigations in the country since the end of the Portuguese military dictatorship in 1974 - have been riven by allegations of compromised police officers, high-level interference and vicious, virulent attacks on key witnesses.

Pedro Namora, a former Casa Pia orphan who witnessed 11 rapes on fellow orphans, during which they were tied to their beds, sympathises with the McCanns. He believes elements in the force have conspired to suppress both scandals, fearing damage to the country's reputation.

"Portugal is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr Namora, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the Casa Pia victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in Portugal. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here - stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.

"The network is enormous and extremely powerful. There are magistrates, ambassadors, police, politicians - all have procured children from Casa Pia. It is extremely difficult to break this down. These people cover for each other, because if one is arrested, they all are arrested. They don't want anyone to know."

Now 44, Mr Namora watched as friends sank into alcoholism, drug addiction and death after their traumatic childhood experiences at Casa Pia. "I was the only one who made it," he said. "What could I do? I couldn't keep silent."

He has received death threats and warnings about what will happen to his own children, after taking up the case when an orphan called "Joel" approached him, saying prominent paedophiles were using Casa Pia as a "supermarket for children".

Mr Namora has been threatened after fighting on behalf of the abused children he grew up with.

After being telephoned by a stranger offering to pay off his mortgage, he was told the exact movements of his own three children, and warned that they and their father would come to a grisly end unless he shut up.

An open, warm man, Mr Namora makes an unlikely conspiracytheorist-But he believes the case, which he brought to light in 2003, will underscore Portugal's growing attraction for paedophiles, which has seen six children disappear in recent years.

One reason for this attraction is that the law was quietly relaxed last year, ahead of the forthcoming trial, meaning that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence."


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Post by Rosie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:25 am

The trouble is we do not know what the British police or government have done to help the McCann's, don't forget the British police were bound by the Portuguese secrecy law too!
We have heard that they do not agree with their Portuguese counterparts and I feel when Kate and Gerry are ready to tell their side of the story we will hear what the British police actually did.

I am not sure that the British police would have any jurisdiction in another country without the expressed permission of the PJ and much as it really, really angers me, we are very unlikely to see the PJ giving the British police permission to go to Portugal and conduct their own enquiries. It seems to me to be a matter of egos with the PJ and apart from that, they just do not want to accept help and they certainly do not want another police force to come in and teach them how to do their jobs properly.

The sad and the terrifying thing is that in spite of 14 months of this investigation the PJ do not seem to have garnered one simple lead and because of this these abductors will have got away with their crime and I am terrified that this is going to have happen again to another child, after all the PJ have proved themselves worse than useless so any would be abductor is going to have a really simple time choosing another child to abduct and get away with.

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