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Post by rosemary on Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:31 pm

Dianeh Hi
Such a long time since we last spoke! Nice to see and hear some are still around, thanks to Pedro battling on and Christobel.
Just to say that I know this Birch guy fully expected to be prosecuted over his actions and also that he has said quite categorically at the beginning of his video that he does not level any accusations at anyone and particularly not Murat. He could be sued for illegal trespass, he is well aware of this. Which is why he scuttled off asap. He's an odd one. I don't think he is nuts. And he knows his legal position very well, he has hired 2 attorneys in SA and in UK. But he is definitely witholding a lot of further info. As I said, odd. Can't get a handle on him at all. He doesn't need the reward. He says he feels compassion for K^G and that they need closure. He is well aware too that the PJ are corrupt. Mmmmm....

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Post by rosemary on Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:22 am

Well it's Friday and it has all gone very quiet. I can't help mulling it over. IF and I know it is a very big IF...Maddie is buried there under the driveway or hardstand whatever it is, there can only be three possible reasons why, that I can think of.
1. It's the result of the "double bluff" theory. Buried after the property was searched and the case was closed. The safest possible place. And....
2. It was done by Murat and/or friends of his. Or...
3. It was not done by him, but was meant to throw the finger of suspicion on him. I say this because I think Murat did move in sinister circles. He consorted with some very dubious characters I seem to recall. And may well have made enemies.

Of course I realise it could also be just a bag of spanners under that concrete. Or some other body.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:55 am

rosemary, I insist. birch is wrong, his words are bullshit.

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Post by rosemary on Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:40 am

Pedro thankyou for your PM. With all due respect this forum is still here to post the opinions of those who still wish to use it.

For reasons known only to yourelf you have an intense antipathy and overeaction to Stephen Birch and his actions and his theories. I respect your opinion. You should respect mine. Ignore my posts by all means. For the very few who still visit this site I shall continue to post about Birch if I wish to.

Unless Admin PM's me and forbids it. Which would be a great pity for this Forum.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:02 am

rosemary, I respect your opinion, I never suggested the opposite, I never told or suggested that you shouldn´t write your comments, you used those words, not me, so, with all due respect, don´t distort my words. You know too well what I wrote. It´s just that you people are giving inportance to a guy whose only care is himself, using innocents to gain fame, using the lowest of lies, unproven theories. birch issue is closed, for me.


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Post by christabel on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:11 am

I don't think anymore needs said about this hoaxer. This says' everything I said the other day

Even the original Van Wyk is only after money, he admits it himself.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/maddie-search-shrouded-in-controversy-1.1341247

SA Time: Sat Jul 14 2012 12:30:27 GMT+0100 (GMT Daylight Time)

Maddie search shrouded in controversy

July 14 2012 at 11:59am
By Kowthar Solomons and Kashiefa Ajam
Comment on this story

The Saturday Star can today reveal for the first time the scan that Cape Town property developer Stephen Birch handed over to British and Portuguese authorities, which he claims proves that Madeleine McCann’s tiny body was buried on the property of former suspect Robert Murat.

A video showing Birch using a georadar machine, allegedly in Murat’s garden at Casa Liliana, is now circulating on the web, including on YouTube. In the interview with Portuguese TV station, Expresso TV, he said: “Maddie died on May 3, 2007 and she was put into the ground that same day.”

This comes as a heated row has erupted between Birch and two Cape Town private investigators amid allegations that all three are in the hunt for the sake of the R35 million reward.

Last week the Saturday Star reported claims by the property developer that he may have found the grave of missing Madeleine McCann less than 200m from the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal, using the radar scanning device. Now private investigators Martin van Wyk and his sister Bernice Manson have accused Birch of stealing their research and passing it off as his own.

But Birch didn’t respond in detail saying he had been advised by his attorneys not to comment on the case further.

This may be because Murat, in Portugal, is adamant that he will sue Birch. Murat’s lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, told the Algarve Resident on Wednesday: “We are suing Mr Stephen Birch for the unlawful entry into private property.”

In an interview with newspaper Correio da Manhã (CM) Birch admitted that while in Praia da Luz, he monitored the property “24 hours a day”, with the help of two “collaborators”, and when the house was vacated he would enter and search the backyard with the georadar equipment.

And on an Express TV news clip, Birch can clearly be seen operating the georadar on Murat’s property, hunched under hanging tree branches in the dead of night. He said he had entered the property four times.

“There is a big driveway on Casa Liliana. But I believe that Maddie is buried beneath a second driveway, a less important driveway, which was constructed over the ground. The driveway is small and one cannot even turn a car in it. I don’t believe it serves any purpose. It is covered by pebble stones.”

Birch further said he was aware that there was a good chance that he would be prosecuted for trespassing. He said he had hired two law firms – one in SA and one in the UK to protect his interests.

“I hope and will plead with the Portuguese police to investigate my claims and excavate the property. If they are successful, I will have no problem assisting them with their investigation,” Birch said.

Madeleine, 3, disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort five years ago while her parents dined with friends nearby. It is not known if she is still alive. When contacted for comment on Van Wyk and Manson’s claims, Birch said he was aware of them, but denied them.

“The claims are false but under the legal advice of my lawyers I will not comment on the matter at this point.”

He was speaking to the Portuguese police and the McCann family about having the remains in the grave disinterred, and had passed the scans on to the Portuguese police.

“Many people don’t believe my story, and you can’t blame them because I don’t have definite proof. I want the site to be dug up so we can confirm if it indeed holds the remains of Madeleine McCann,” Birch said.

Van Wyk, meanwhile, said Birch was solely motivated by the reward and was willing to resort to illegal means, such as trespassing, to get it.

He feared Birch may have destroyed years of research by going public with his findings.

“Our investigation is incomplete and is still ongoing. By revealing the location without any substantial proof for the police to act on, he has given the person behind the disappearance a chance to cover his tracks. Not to mention his illegal activities in obtaining his ‘evidence’. It was utterly reckless and may have let a murderer walk free.

“I’ve had authorities in the UK call and ask me what he’s trying to pull and tell me that he may have destroyed any hopes of solving the case.”

Van Wyk, a former military police investigator, who has specialised in missing children for the past 28 years, said he was drawn to the McCann case and visited Portugal in October 2007 and in September 2009.

He sold his shares in a bar he part-owned to fund his investigation. Van Wyk said he had made contact with Madeleine’s relatives and received their “blessing” to investigate the case.

They passed on descriptions of Maddie and any new information that came to them. Although the information they were able to provide was limited, it was very useful.

He also gave interviews with local newspapers on his findings.

Van Wyk said he had been in touch by e-mail with the police in Portugal and the UK. He had collected thousands of documents on the case – e-mails, newspaper articles, notes, and hundreds of photographs. The photographs included pictures of the possible grave site.

Just over a year ago, Birch approached the siblings and asked to join them on the case. Manson described him as an acquaintance and loner.

“We’d see him socially sometimes but we wouldn’t call him a close friend.

“Then about a year ago he found out about our research and approached us as a partner,” said Van Wyk. They had agreed to the partnership.

Van Wyk said: “Initially, things went well. Birch was good with ideas and he was very inquisitive about all the role players and our theories. But at some point, he began to obsess and called us several times in the middle of the night for information.”

Van Wyk claims Birch insisted on keeping Van Wyk’s passport, ID and case files to prevent him from travelling to Portugal without him.

Manson said Birch became furious when he was unable to access their photographs last year.

“The documents were stored at a relative’s place who was away for the weekend. When I told him we could only get the photos in a few days he lost it and said ‘you people aren’t interested in the case or the money’ and ‘how useless’ we were.

“We had decided to wait until September to go to Portugal and confirm our theories. But Birch was impatient, so using our research and theories went on his own, using his underground radar device. He only joined us to get the photos and location of the possible grave site. He left as soon as he got what he came for.”

Van Wyk added: “I have worked on this day and night for the past five years, reading through articles from the media and reports from law enforcement intelligence. And for Birch to claim it was his work was just too much.”

He admitted that he was interested in the reward but said he had deeper motives. “The reward is without a doubt a factor, but having worked on missing children cases for so long I wanted to establish a global network to help find missing children. The money and renown for solving the McCann case would go a long way to realising this dream.”

Van Wyk said they still intended going to Portugal in September. -Saturday Star
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Post by rosemary on Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:30 am

This link you have put up in full is the exact same as the one I posted - which for some reason doesn't work. So thankyou.

I have said before that Birch's so called "friends" Van Wyk and others are furious with him because they certainly, without ANY doubt, ARE after the reward money, as they admit.
Birch is on record as saying that he is NOT interested in the reward money because he has his own substantial wealth. He has also been quoted as saying that what he did last week was in order for the Mccanns to get closure - as soon as possible, without wasting any more time.
Whether he is lying - I have no idea.

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Post by Catkins on Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 am

The whole business stinks...if he even did "survey" the garden...Who told Birch or even Van Wyk that Jenny Murats garden would be a good place ?

It's all a bit fishy as far as I am concerned.

If anyone wanted to bury someone down there there are countless rural opportunities .....no need for a flipping garden.

I'm not a fan of Murat .
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Post by rosemary on Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:32 am

Catkins, whoever buried a body there in Murat's garden,- IF it is a body - was certainly doing Murat no favours and leads me to think it was done with the precise intention of damaging him.

Either that, or it's the double bluff theory.
Or it's a bag of spanners.

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Post by dianeh on Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:50 pm

I still say that SY would be able to take the so called evidence and have it examined by experts who would be able to say whether or not it is possibly a child's body.



He was speaking to the Portuguese police and the McCann family about having the remains in the grave disinterred, and had passed the scans on to the Portuguese police.

But not so sure about the PJ.

Anyway, experts need to look at the scans, then if there is a real possibility that there are child size remains in the yard, then the PJ can get a search warrant, and reopen the case. But even then, there is no other link to Murat, so without a definitive idea of what is in the hole, then why would a search warrant be granted.

It could be a dog's remains. Or it could be where some sort of hole was dug for some other reason. Ground scans show no real detail, but do show disturbances to the ground etc. Also, there is nothing to say when the 'hole' was dug. It could have been 20 years ago.

I leave this to the experts. But assuredly, if Levy was involved, something is wrong.
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Post by Catkins on Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:59 am

rosemary wrote:Catkins, whoever buried a body there in Murat's garden,- IF it is a body - was certainly doing Murat no favours and leads me to think it was done with the precise intention of damaging him.

Either that, or it's the double bluff theory.
Or it's a bag of spanners.

I'll go with "bag of spanners".....that path looks to me like the small flat pavers common round there.....No one in their right mind would think that it would be quick or easy to dig them up....then the ground underneath....then relay and re grout them....nope...madness.
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