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Where are these reports coming from/Payne/Correio da Manhã

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Post by christabel on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:19 am

From Astro - translation of today's Correio da Manhã

Doctor friends of the McCanns spoke to the English police

Payne suspected of paedophilia

Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group's members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year

David Payne, one of the McCanns' friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.
The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.

According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.

Touching the nipple

Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends' behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.

The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. "That was done in a provocative manner", recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.

Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.

Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherina's companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasn't aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didn't see it being repeated.

The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.

During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography. "I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner", she concluded.

Friends from school days

Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.

Doubts in the case

Irishman not heard – An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.

Sending delayed – The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.

Bank account info – The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.

Life stories – The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddie's mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.

Kate accused of conditioning the case

An intercalary report from the Polícia Judiciária, which was produced immediately before Kate and Gerry were made arguidos, accuses Madeleine’s parents of having conditioned the investigation. The document is signed by an inspector and was directed to Gonçalo Amaral, who was then coordinating the process.The investigator then stated that the information that had been collected initially, was worked by the group in order to sustain the abduction theory. He guarantees that they all lied to protect themselves and even suggests that some could have been covering the crime up.

The testimony from Janne Turner [sic]*, who guarantees that she saw a man crossing the street with a child in his arms, is also questioned. The policeman said that Janne [sic] was only two or three metres away from Gerry but he failed to see the man. And that, by stating that the man was headed towards Murat’s house, she ended up orienting the investigation into a false direction, which led to an unnecessary waste of time.The same report exposes other contradictions in the English’s depositions. Kate and Gerry say that they picked up their children from the crèche at 5.30 p.m., but while the former guarantees that they went for a half-hour run on the beach and only then returned to the apartment, her husband states that they went to play tennis during that period.After that, at around 8 p.m., one of the elements of the group reportedly went to the apartment that had been rented by the couple. Kate says that he was there only for 30 seconds and then left. Gerry speaks about half an hour. The policeman remembers that the time difference is what is needed between asking whether everything is well, or advancing in case a crime has to be concealed.

Another situation that the authorities found strange was the fact that Kate, upon realizing that Maddie had disappeared, remained inside the apartment for ten minutes. Only then did she ask for help, leaving the twins asleep in their cots while she returned to the restaurant. The policeman who wrote the report asks how it is possible that a mother facilitates the safety of her other children when it is certain that by that time she was already screaming that her daughter had been abducted.

They could not see the apartment

Another contradiction was pointed out by the inspector who was in charge of the Maddie case. The policeman remembered that the McCanns asserted that their position inside the restaurant was a strategic one, so they could see the apartment where their children were sleeping. But according to several testimonies, Kate and Gerry had their backs turned to the apartment.

CM shows the difficulty in abducting Maddie

For the first time, a Portuguese member of the media shows images from inside the apartment, namely the room from where the English Minor Madeleine McCann disappeared from, on the 3rd of May last year. Here the images and the infographics try to reconstitute the steps of an imaginary abductor, but also the state in which the PJ found the crime scene.

PJ admitted a simulation of the scenario

The arrival of the dogs that detected cadaver odours and blood traces led the PJ to admit that some of the details where Maddie had been sleeping had been staged to sustain the abduction theory. One of the examples that were pointed out in one of the many reports that were written by the investigators was the fact that the soft toy was on the bed where Maddie slept, a bed that was partially undone. The animals detected odours on the child’s toy, but they did not mark her death on that spot. Which led the PJ to admit that Maddie had died in another area of the house, and then the toy was taken to the bed because it was the most likely spot in case of an abduction. Other details were analysed, like the fact that the furniture was too well positioned and the sofa was completely pushed against the wall.

DetailsInvestigated leads – The final report is clear. All the leads were investigated, the abduction theory was verified into detail. But the investigation’s main conclusions pointed towards the death of the child in the apartment, on the 3rd of May.

300 policemen were looking for Madeleine McCann during the first days. The PJ stresses that many among them spent several weeks sleeping only a few hours.

2000 diligences were made by the Judiciária during their search for Madeleine. International cooperation was requested on several moments, to exclude several cases of false sightings.

High costs – The PJ spared no costs throughout this investigation. Millions of euros were spent on the investigation into the disappearance, namely on the high payments that were made to the labs that collected the genetic profiles.

Suspicions – Dave’s involvement is considered again

Parents refused technical help

Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.

The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families.

Gonçalo Amaral’s book upsets the English

A delegation from the British justice left for London yesterday after having tried, in Portimão, to keep some details of the process under secrecy.The English, who according to what CM was able to establish, are upset about possible revelations that the book from the former coordinator of the PJ in Portimão may make, tried to request the instruction judge to maintain the secrecy on the forensics reports about the blood traces and cadaver odour that were collected from the apartment at the Ocean Club, but also other parts from the process.As far as CM was able to establish, the pretentions from the English delegation were denied, except in the case of the identity of persons that have condemnations or a police record of paedophilia which reside in the Algarve or were spending holidays in the region when the facts took place.The British that were in Portimão are policeman Stuart Prior, one of the senior liaison officers with the Portuguese police, a magistrate and a jurist from SOCA, the British agency that specializes in investigation organized crime. It is not known whether the trip was made under a rogatory letter or politically negotiated between the governments of both countries.

“In defense of my good name”

The book by Gonçalo Amaral is written in defense of his honour. “I felt the need to reinstate my good name, which was publicly rubbished while the institution that I belonged to for 26 years, the Polícia Judiciária, didn’t allow me to defend myself, or did so institutionally”, Gonçalo Amaral states in a text that justifies the book. In order to carry out that defense, he requested permission from the national directory but never obtained it. The book, which will be presented by Marques Vidal, a former director of the Judiciária, is launched on the 24th of this month, during a session that is scheduled for El Corte Inglés, in Lisbon.

On the Side

Laboratory Decisive test – The final report ended up being decisive for the foreseeable archiving of the process. In that document, which CM revealed, the possibility of DNA contamination was admitted.

Archived AG announced – The day after tomorrow, the AG will release a communication that will most likely announce the archiving of the process. The case will remain pending in Portimão’s Public Ministry, waiting for better evidence.

Reconstitution Stopped – The reconstitution of the evening of the disappearance was a diligence that was seen as essential in the process. It was stopped because some of the McCanns’ friends did not accept to return.

Wardrobe Odour detected – The English dogs signaled traces of Maddie’s death behind the sofa and in the bedroom wardrobe. On the bed, the animals didn’t detect anything.

Contamination Traces – The authorities have no doubts that the contamination of the location made the investigation more difficult. During the first few hours, tens of people entered the bedroom.

Removed By phone – Gonçalo Amaral was the target of various attacks and was removed by Alípio Ribeiro, by phone, after making a statement to a newspaper.

Letter Paedophile register – Yvone, in the letter that she sent to the English police, wanted the authorities to verify whether Dave had a register of paedophile activities.


Source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition


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Now David Payne....

Post by calcite51 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:35 pm

It boggles the mind that a story like this is coming out NOW - I hope Dr. Payne does sue the newspapers who are branding him a pedophile - it's absolutely unbelievable that these papers are able to get away with printing stories like this in a case where secrecy is the word.....
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Ah But Is Only Secret If It benefits Portugal's Tourist Industry and the PJ

Post by Rosie on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:03 pm

This is of course a disgrace. They cannot stop leaking, not even at this late stage. I have said on anther thread this is the PJ getting in first, they know the evidence against the McCann's is non existent, the only evidence that is around is the damning evidence against the PJ proving them to be bungling and inept at their jobs.
This information handed to the newspaper has got fat greasy lard finger prints all over it.


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More Gibberish From the Portuguese Press!

Post by Rosie on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:06 pm

Having a hard time trying to translate this to make any sense at all, this is the story I referred to in another post which I was hopefully waiting for a better translation in our press.

I guess the first thing that strikes me is that it is not mentioned on SKY or any of the news channels? Has anyone else seen it anywhere? I immediately looked to the BBC and Sky and not an inkling, if this carried any kind of credence would it not be massive breaking news in this country?

Or are the press and TV guarded because of any possible future libel lawsuit?

Anyway will have an attempt at giving my opinion here, for what it is worth. I'll do it bullet points easier to digest I think.

  • If this was reported to the Leistershire police, I would assume that they would have investigated such a serious allegation? Especially in a case of a missing child in such a high profile case?
  • It is inconceivable to think they would not have acted, perhaps they have investigated and found these allegations to be wholly unsubstantiated?
  • If this Katherina and Arul were so concerned why did they wait 2 years to report it and why did Arul forget about it?
  • Madeleine would only have been around a year old then.
  • How did this Katherina know they were talking about Madeleine, if she did not know what they were saying?
  • Then the report said that she saw Dave making the same gesture, while talking about his own daughter. Again how did she know he was talking about his own daughter?
  • Why does she think this is provocative gesture?
  • It is unclear whose nipple was? hers? Or his own? if it was his own, this could be a subconscious gesture, the same way a lot of men seem to have strange habits, of sitting with their hands protecting their privates and how many times have you seen a man picking his nose at traffic lights?
  • I would be interested in seeing a proper translation to see if something has been deliberately change or left out here to make this look like something it obviously isn't!
  • Why did she say to her husband "never let Dave come close to the bathroom while their daughter was in the bath? was he always around at bath time? Sounds very odd to me and sounds like it has been put in the paper, because of the fact that Payne checked in on Kate after the tennis match, another subliminal suggestion, the Portuguese press are not very good at it though!
  • This Katherina seems to have assumed a lot, while her husband a different story altogether, yet they were both present at the same time? Yet the this paper has said they told the same story, when it is obvious they are not telling the same story.
  • Katherina has made assumptions, while Arul said he did not hear them talking about Madeleine, but thought they were in bad taste? What was in bad taste? He has just said that he didn't hear anything, so he has no idea what they were talking about!
  • The paper then goes on to say that Katherina said "Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography."
  • Maybe I know little or nothing about child pornography, but from David Payne sticking his fingers in his mouth she deduces he is someone who likes to watch child pornography?
  • seems a complete load of twaddle to me. Perhaps Katherina, should go and get a check up somewhere? Is she jealous of Kate McCann's previous relationship with her husband?
  • As for the life stories of Kate and Gerry McCann, we have been down this route before seems the paper is padding out an otherwise factless, baseless story. Can the Portuguese press and the PC Plod's get it into their heads that despite every journo in the world and every pseudo armchair internet detective in the world digging into this unfortunate couple's past, not one person has been able to come up with anything detrimental about them, (that is if you ignore the hotlips Kate at university nonsense)
  • I note that the paper has changed the witness story of the Irishman to now saying it was Gerry who was taking Madeleine towards the marina! I distinctly remembering this witness saying he did not recognise the man he thought he saw!


My verdict? Another non story, vicious leak to smear the McCann's and their friends. How coincidental it is released now. Portugal's police have been found wanting and have messed this case up from the outset with an amazing catalogue of errors, instead of admitting this and moving on and trying to ensure they never again make these errors, they try and save face with their vicious lies and they do not care whose life they ruin in the process.

If Murat had a case, then David Payne has an even stronger case against this paper and I hope he sues their nasty vindictive backsides off and I hope he does not settle out of court. Take them all the way David.

This is yet another shameless attempt to get Amaral and the other PJs off of the hook. I expected something like it and I expect a lot more of it.

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I wonder

Post by dianeh on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:21 pm

I wonder if this load of tripe is a 'teaser' of sorts for a certain book to be published in the near future. Because if it is, then they might as well book a court date now. In fact, I would think the Courier de Manure should be looking to protect their own backsides about now.

Rosie, I completely agree, that if the allegations made about David Payne were presented to the British Police they would have been seriously investigated. If they never became known to the PJ, then it is because they are completely unfounded, or worse, malicious. The British Police would in no way hide evidence in this or any other case.

I would also be seriously looking at the motives of this 'couple' for bringing out such a story. I would be surprised if it it even true. It is most likely a sensationalised version of their testimony, testimony which as just previously said was in all probability not even worth enough to be passed to the PJ.

And the timing of these 'allegations'. This is indeed pathetic. Why even bother now? I hope that if these allegations are not included within the evidence file that CM is sued, and that the PJ take action against the CM and find the source of the leaks.

It was also reported yesterday that the British Police have asked for the DNA evidence to be suppressed but this has been refused. I think this is another piece of garbage. The British police will in the spirit of co-operation need to know exactly what can and cannot be given to the McCanns from the evidence which they have. This is perfectly legitimate. But it has again be sensationalised to make a story where there is not one. IMO, after the CM produced the article saying that the only DNA evidence was Mitochondrial DNA, that it would be in the best interests of the PJ, not the British Police to withold the DNA evidence. The DNA evidence (if true and is only Mitochondrial) is not doing the PJ any favours. After all, it was not the British Police who went down a dead end following inconclusive and perfectly logical DNA evidence.

C of M must think the British are spectacularly stupid, if they think the BRitish public are going to believe even a scrap of this crap they are printing now. I doubt even the Portuguese public are wondering what is going on, with the contradictory crap, and the very very late smears that are coming out.
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Diane and Rosie

Post by tulip on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:06 pm

I agree -- rubbish. I assume that the DNA appeal was a request not to release the preliminary info re DNA because it was inadequate, misleading and liable to misinterpretation. I wonder now though whether anyone will still believe that the early DNA report was significant. It was 'sensational' at the time but has been publicly clarified since then. There will be people who will still believe (or want to believe) that 'evidence'. We know we can't change them, but at least we've got some of them 'off the air'!

As for Payne, the whole thing stinks, and is so full of holes you can only roll your eyes. People wanting their 15 minutes of fame. Well, sorry, we've had so many people trying to get that, the stage is over-crowded. If there had been any substance to this allegation it would have come out long ago, imo.

I think it's another symptom of the McCanns' pending release from arguido status and the resulting inevitable disappearance of the case from the news. Some people are desperately trying to hot things up. Pathetic.

I hope that there will be some big-buck lawsuits coming out of this soon -- from Gonc to these 'witnesses' it's all been a disgrace imo.
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Post by dianeh on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:16 pm

Was just thinking again about these allegations about David Payne. Lets assume that these witnesses are telling the truth, or at least the truth as they saw it. I really doubt that they went to the Leic Police (who then would have investigated and because of the delay in giving to PJ, one assumes that it was proven inaccurate or irrelevant, or just untrue), to have their names (albeit first names only) and stories splashed all over the papers. As witnesses, they would have expected that their privacy would have been assured, up until the time their 'evidence' was to be used to support a prosecution. They may have come forward in all good intentions, and may now be horrified to find their stories in the papers, and most likely not the same stories that they told police.

One would think there are some laws in Portugal about releasing potential witness stories and names etc. But apparently not, remember back in the early days of the investigation when the details of the Tapas 7 and their supposed testimonies were leaked to the press.

I am calling them stories because at this point, I dont really know what to call them. Evidence doesnt really sound right, in fact, I doubt that these stories are even close to being evidence.
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Last and desperate attempt to divert attention

Post by maria on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:05 pm

In my opinion this is nothing else but the last desperate attempt from certain groups in the portuguese media and the former PJ team to divert attention from the PGR communication tomorrow and more importantly, to justify all the slanders coming out in that book so anxiously expected by certain groups within the portuguese society as a whole. And it has been announced as well.

1. I would for a moment stop at that Yvonne woman who gave a testimony immediately after Madeleine's disappearance. She

'(...)earned credentials from the british government to work in situations that envolved endangered children, was in the Algarve at the time when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple during the first few hours and the behaviour from both left her with suspicion about their involvement in the disappearance. (...) The behaviour of David Payne (...) also left Yvonne intrigued. The McCanns' friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician. Yvonne found another detail strange. David's face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse.(...)'

Now, Gonc said he was thinking about reinterviewing a very important witness when he was kicked out of the investigation. Was it this Yvonne woman? Why didn't he properly took her report in due course? Why wait until September to 'think' about interviewing her? Slow, very slow. As everything else.

2. Without any attempt of blunder here. In order to detract witnesses declaring that they saw R Murat the night of the disappearance, it has been stressed the similarity between him and D Payne. Couldn't this Yvonne woman be wrong and mistaking him with someone else? Couldn't it be one of the reasons that P Rebelo's team discarded her reinterview? Being the other reason that these allegations are of a subjectivity and bias not in accordance with proper investigation. But very useful to Gonc of course.

3. If the report from LP re the testimonies of Katherina and Arul only arrived in Portugal in January, and there was a new and (hopefully) more efficient team in charge of the investigation and they took no note of it, couldn't it be that it had already been investigated in the UK, came to nothing and therefore no need to repeat any dilligences around here? As Dianeh says, british take these things very seriously. Anyway, another piece of news coming out from our welknown 'source' our 'anonymous smear source'. That will not exempt CM of any responsibility of course.

4.Few days ago, the very same CM stated that the Birmingham Labs had changed the traces they worked on the first and second times (this last one the tests were also performed by IML the portuguese institute of forensic medicine and coincided completely). This could well introduce the smear about the visit from the British experts and Magistrate. To reinforce Gonc theory of interference of british authorities and police in the course of the investigation.

5. This campaign is not aimed at the british people but it has a much more sinister objective which I'll refrain to discuss here the same way I reffused to discuss it in Sky's blog. But for 'public consumption' it is only to clear Gonc's image and probably to gather some 'innocence evidences' in any forthcoming charges and the trial he is currently udergoing.

I apologise for any language mistakes, it has been a long time since I last wrote or spoke english properly.


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Post by tulip on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:10 pm

Yes, I agree of course that we can't begin to guess the reasons why this couple made the allegations they did. They are bizarre.
They could have been sincere, who knows? And horrified now too. So much has to be guessed at.

I base my scepticism on the evidence that they are said to have given (and again one only has reports to go on). They apparently claim to have seen Payne saying things they could not have heard and made assumptions that he was discussing paedophilia in a sympathetic way. Gestures he made, it is said, were interpreted as having a specific sexual significance. They could have meant something entirely different -- he and Gerry could have been having a medical discussion.

This could be a blatent misrepresentation of what they reported. But nowadays there are so many people with fevered imaginations who interpret things in unbelievable ways. Like the father trying to take a snap of his kids on swings and being told by a mother nearby that he mustn't include her kids in the photo or she'd call the police, implying that the poor guy was a pervert! People are now seeing paedophiles behind every bush. Being alert and on one's guard is one thing, but paranoia has its own victims.

We'll see lots of mud flying around crazily now, imo, as people try to justify unjustifiable actions.
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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:16 pm

I just posted this quote from Anorak on the "Leaks" thread....but thought I would post it here too.

SUNDAY HERALD: “Courts make editors think hard before delving into private lives - Judiciary increasingly taking the view that public interest must be stronger than potential harm”

Although Madeleine McCann “aguido” Robert Murat’s £600,000 payout last week from 11 newspapers after successfully suing for the separate offence of defamation, editors are being forcefully reminded to think longer and harder about what stories papers can and should run.

INDEED!. A current story in Correio da Manha has not repeated in the UK press about the case.

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A good start Mum!

Post by tulip on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:03 pm

A bit too late for the poor McCanns but signs of something ... let's hope!

Maria, your post was very interesting -- your English is fine, so don't hold back. I saw you often on Sky and am glad you are here.
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