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Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

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Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by dianeh on Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:14 pm

The Correio da Manhã has an online story that the DNA evidence that was so widely touted was in fact only Mitochondrial DNA, that is only show that the DNA belongs to Kate or someone of her lineage. Kate and her three children will all have indentical Mitrochondrial DNA.

Here is the Translated verions will have to wait for British press to take this up tomorrow.

03 July 2008 - 00:30 am

Relatório: Testes de meses deram apenas a linhagem familiar materna Report: Tests of months have only the maternal family lineage
ADN de Kate trama PJ DNA from Kate weft PJ
A existência de cabelos de Madeleine na mala do carro alugado pelos pais três semanas depois do crime, junto ao pneu suplente, é considerada pela PJ altamente provável. The existence of hair-Madeleine in the suitcase car rented by their parents three weeks after the crime, with the alternate tire is considered by PJ highly likely. Mas a investigação não foi capaz de provar que aqueles vestígios são da criança: os cabelos não têm raiz, apurou o CM, eo relatório final do laboratório de Birmingham – pelos testes de ADN via análise mitocondrial – só garante que esteve na mala do carro alguém da linhagem de Kate. But the investigation was unable to prove that they are traces of the child: the lack root hairs, found the CM, and the final report of the laboratory in Birmingham - the tests on mitochondrial DNA analysis path - only ensures that the car was in poor people line of Kate.




A Renault Scénic, recorde-se, só foi alugada pelos McCann três semanas depois do desaparecimento da filha mais velha. Renault Scénic, it is recalled, was hired by McCann three weeks after the disappearance of the eldest daughter. Logo, qualquer vestígio que provasse a sua presença na carrinha ligava os pais ao crime. Therefore, any trace that prove its presence in the truck linking parents to crime. O simples pormenor de os cabelos encontrados na mala não terem raiz, onde se encontra o núcleo da célula, faz toda a diferença. The mere detail of the hair found in the suitcase had not root, where the nucleus of the cell, makes all the difference. Porque se tivessem, "a análise nuclear em qualquer laboratório do Mundo daria 99,9 por cento de hipóteses de um cabelo pertencer a determinada pessoa", adianta um especialista ao CM. Because if they had, "the nuclear testing in any laboratory of the World would give 99.9 percent chance of hair belonging to a particular person," states an expert to BC. Neste caso, de Maddie. In this case, Maddie.

Os peritos viram-se assim obrigados a recorrer à análise mitocondrial, que apenas dá certezas de os cabelos pertencerem a uma linhagem materna: Kate ou um dos seus três filhos. Experts have been thus forced to resort to mitochondrial analysis, which only gives certainty to the hair belonged to a maternal lineage: Kate or one of their three children.

O recurso da Judiciária à tecnologia do sofisticado laboratório de Birmingham só se ficou a dever às dimensões ínfimas das manchas nas paredes do apartamento do casal e na carrinha. The use of sophisticated technology of the Judicial laboratory in Birmingham was slow because only very small dimensions of the spots on the walls of the couple's apartment and truck. A técnica de Low Copy Number ampliou milhões de vezes a cadeia de ADN, mas, a partir daí, a matéria celular revelou sinais de diferentes pessoas. The technique of Low Copy Number expanded million times the chain of DNA, but from there, the matter cell revealed signs of different people. Indistintas.

CRÍTICAS CR Í TICAS

DEVASSA DAS PROVAS DEVASSA the tests

Uma das críticas de um especialista à investigação é "o facto de o local do crime [apartamento do Ocean Club] não ter sido preservado. Toda a gente passou por ali, a casa foi alugada antes de serem recolhidas amostras, e isso prejudicou bastante as análises feitas no laboratório britânico". One criticism of a specialist to research is "the fact that the location of the crime [of the Ocean Club apartment] was not preserved. Everyone has gone through there, the house was rented before samples are taken, and that undermined the very British laboratory tests performed on. "

APOSTA NO LABORATÓRIO BET IN LABORATORY

"A investigação criminal não pode ao fim de um ano assentar no trabalho do laboratório – as análises devem ser um complemento", diz a mesma fonte. "The criminal investigation can not after one year based on the work of the laboratory - the tests must be complementary," says the same source. Por si só dificilmente permitem uma acusação. By itself hardly allow a prosecution.

PGR DESVALORIZA PGR DESVALORIZA

O procurador Geral da República, Pinto Monteiro, desvalorizou ontem o arquivamento do processo: "Em todo o mundo há crimes que não se apuram". The Attorney General's Office, Pinto Monteiro, yesterday devalued the closing of the case: "Throughout the world there are crimes that are not discharged."


Henrique Machado Henrique Machado

So after all those months of tests, there was nothing. I suspect this is why the FSS told the PJ that they were misinterpreting the DNA evidence. But this is high school science stuff. This is no evidence whatsover except to prove that someone fromthe McCann family had left a hair (s) in the boot of the car. Cmon Einstein, really, why is it surprising that there are hairs from a member of the family in the boot of their hire car.

Question is why has this just come out today? Paving the way for the dismissal of the case due to no evidence. If the DNA evidence (non existant) was all the PJ had, apart from the supposed inconsistencies in the Tapas 9 testimonies, then there is surely enough here to being an inquiry into the conduct of the PJ in this investigation.

Just like to say,that there are no word to describe how angry I am that all of the smears and lies about the DNA that caused so many people to question the McCann was all based on Mitochondrial DNA, that showed nothing out of the ordinary. Low cell count (according to my reading of the poor translation) showed too many variations and so was unable to be used, and there were no other samples that showed anything either. This is just a disgrace, and the whole leaks episode needs to be investigated, until the source (or the mastermind) is found and charges laid. :x
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Post by calcite51 on Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:17 pm

I'm not surprised. I've maintained if the DNA was as conclusive as some thought, the McCanns would have been arrested (never happened). Never mind, Diane, Gonc is writing a book (another one YAWN) - this book will tell ALL (Yawn).
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Skynews Report

Post by dianeh on Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:50 pm

On what will happen with the case, here is a quote from Skynews

But the Portuguese media has offered a variety of possible outcomes.

Correio da Manha, which broke the news that police wanted the case closed, says it will be filed as a "homicide".

It reports that police will officially declare they believe the case was "violent crime" after which "the body was hidden".

And the national daily Diario de Noticias carried a four-page special on the latest developments. It says "the Public Ministry is thinking about more investigations."


Funny that CM (paper)would say police will file it as a homicide then put up an article where they say that there never was any DNA evidence. I find all of this a bit strange. Surely there must be some sort of evidence to say it is a homicide. I dont know but I will go out on a limb here with things like a body, blood, murder weapon, murder scene, witnesses etc etc. There is nothing in DNA (if CM to be beleived) to support a homicide finding, so how does that allow for it to be officially a homicide. Surely it should be filed as an abduction (as no evidence to the contrary) or a missing person case. There would be a coroner's inquest here (and in Britain) to determine that type of thing, and if no evidence then the coroner will not rule it as a homicide. I can only hope that the judge reviewing the case will also not allow a ruling of homicide without any evidence.

And wouldnt it be good if the further investigations were into the PJ, or in the direction of abduction and away from the McCanns.

Link to Skynews.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-Authorities-Appear-Ready-To-Give-Up-Search-For-Missing-Girl/Article/200807115019508?lpos=World%2BNews_4&lid=ARTICLE_15019508_Madeleine%2BMcCann%253A%2BPortuguese%2BAuthorities%2BAppear%2BReady%2BTo%2BGive%2BUp%2BSearch%2BFor%2BMissing%2BGirl
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Forensics

Post by Guest on Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:20 am

Hi Diane and Calcite.Thanks for putting the material up.
Even the UK laboratory put a statement out, to say that the forensic evidence, was being overplayed and it seems that "no evidence", means just that.
I think that most people, have got to the stage now, that they believe nothing coming out of Portugal now, with relation to this case, where this Police force are involved..

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PJ should be charged

Post by joanypony on Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:51 am

I am of the opinion that the PJ should stand before the EU charged with perverting the course of justice with all the smoke screens they have put up, the leaks, the lies and all to try and save face for the debacle they have made of this case. They never had any DNA evidence. They are a total loss.
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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by vee8 on Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:05 am

joanypony, AMEN to that!
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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by Guest on Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:41 am

Amaral did an interview on TV. I've got the translation from the Sang. Interesting how he believes Madeleine was killed by her parents and seems to be standing by that belief (Vile calls it a confirmation) even though he was removed from the investigation, correct me if I'm wrong, before the DNA results even came back.

Methinks the chap has a chip on his shoulder because he was removed and is hoping there will be a body so he can be vindicated and so will his forthcoming book.

The Interview!!

Gonçalo Amaral in an interview to Expresso

“Since the day that I left I knew the process would be archived”

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The former inspector reveals some secrets from the investigation into the Maddie case. He guarantees that the process contains evidence, not personal convictions, and he reveals that Paulo Rebelo, his successor, never contacted him to talk about the case. When asked about what he would say to Gerry and Kate McCann, today, he replied: “I’m worried about the girl, not the parents”.

Your name and your career will remain connected to the Maddie case forever?

I’m not worried about that. I have always worked in a team, with the preoccupation and the goal of reaching the discovery of the truth. No policeman likes to leave a case halfway through.

Was that what happened with this investigation? Is it left halfway through?

Not according to my will.

Have you agreed with the decision of the former director of the PJ, who removed you from the case?

No. It’s an unfair and dangerous decision. I was not removed from the investigation due to incompetence. I left because of the direction that the investigation was taking. But the strategy was not decided by me only. It was everyone. It involved the English police and other Portuguese policemen. And what was being investigated, was the little girl’s death, even an accidental one.

After you left, was that course maintained?

I don’t know. I’m very naïf and I want to believe that my exit from Portimão had the purpose of advancing the investigation, because the person that took over is much more efficient.

Do you believe that Madeleine McCann died in the apartment on the evening of the 3rd of May?

Yes. That is what I and other persons believe in. And this is not because we idealized it that way.

Is there evidence to sustain that thesis?

I can’t enter any details of the process. I will only say this: I am certain that I, and the persons who worked with me, did a good job and I doubt that anyone else could do better. Some day, people will see the process, they may agree or not, but there is nothing in there that questions my professionalism.

Was the investigation’s direction, homicide, disturbing the political power?

This case was more political than a police case.

Did any politician pressure you?

I was not pressured, I was removed.

If there was a homicide, where is the body?

That was what we were going to establish next. On the day that I was removed, I was carrying out diligences for a fundamental witness to come to Portugal. It was necessary for the PJ to pay for the trip, to arrange for lodging, and that was being taken care of. But then the important witness never came to Portugal and was never heard.

But why? Why was an exception opened? The English police was used by the McCanns to send the PJ information that often was nothing but noise?

Yes. And the fact that the couple had a press advisor, is a figure that is not even foreseen in the penal process code. In some way, we were all influenced by the campaign that was built, which said that the child is alive and must be found. I don’t say that the English police was being ordered around by the McCanns, but it was influenced, like we all were. The PJ should have found a way to protect the investigators from everything else.

That is strange: you say that it was established with the English police that the direction that should be followed was the little girl’s death, that there were enough indices, but there seems to have been an inflexion.

Yes. And I was removed. I don’t know whether there is a direct connection. I know that colleagues from the investigation have requested the police’s directory for a syndication, to see whether the work was badly done. Whether mistakes were made.

Do you believe that you reached the truth?

I am convinced that we were on the right path and that we might end up knowing everything or not, but a great part. Now, that which we have collected and which we consider to be indices, may not be valued in the same manner.


One of the criticisms is that the results from the months when you were leading the investigation are lots of convictions and zero evidence. Do you agree?

I was the coordinator of the investigation from 3 May to 2 October. Five months. After me, there came other people that have been there nine months. I am not comparing, but we were professional and I’m not ashamed of anything. And when the process is public you will see if it is true that there is nothing. There are indications and they are in the files. We did hundreds of interviews and searches. Thousands of diligences and from that there are no results? The little girl went up in smoke?

Did the theory of the death of the child continue to be followed after your exit?

I don’t know. I can say that ever since that day I knew the process would be archived.

That being so, is there still a death to be resolved?

There is. And diligences to be completed.

Who made the decision to constitute the McCann’s arguidos?

Everyone. And the national director was informed of all the decisions.

Alípio Ribeiro agreed with the decision?

Exactly.

But then he ended up saying that the decision was hasty.

Hasty? Four months later? When there were concrete diligences that reinforced some of the indications? While we waited for results of various tests? And beyond that, in our law there exists the principal of no self-incrimination. A person can’t continue speaking forever as a witness and providing evidence (“indications”). There is certainly a stigma in the arguido status, but I don’t know what is worse. They were made arguidos, this was public, for simulating a crime and hiding a cadaver.

Do you think that you made any mistakes?

I made one. The error of the first hour. There are things about which I still can not speak. But we know that there are things which could have been done in another way. No one should be shocked if we begin, immediately, to wonder if the parents were involved.

After leaving the investigation, did you ever speak with your successor, Paulo Rebelo?

No. It is an interesting question to consider. If they removed me for the barbarity of speaking to the press, and not for incompetence, it would be normal to be consulted. But this never happened.

If, as all seems to indicate, the case is archived, the public is going to hold the Portuguese police responsible. How will you react?

Archival is not a declaration of innocence. A process can be archived and reopened. The archival of this case could be the declaration of some incapacity of the police, or it could have a different meaning.

What would you say to Madeleine’s parents?

I have nothing to say. My overriding preoccupation is with the little girl, not the parents.


Source: Expresso

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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by clairesy on Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:07 am

Hi modnrodder!,

Thanks for posting that interview.

hmmmmmmm,im not serprised bile thinks his theorie on madeleine being murdered is actual confirmation...If he came forth though and said that he didn't believe she was murdered by her loving mammy and daddy..vile would probably say he was suffering with a form of mental illness or that a source close to the mccanns had made a false leak.

Doesnt mater what happened in this case does it??It always gets turned onto the mccanns.

its terribly sad and although im aware that portugal has thousands of police who probably do a great job fighting for the laws of their country (as i said in a post earlier today on another thread).........they also have something more sinister going on there.

sadly though its not just portugal that as this kind of corruption going on ...in north wales there was a terrible case in a children's home where staff at a children's home abused children right back from the 60's up until the 90's.It went on until adults who were once abused there came forth and explained of the terrible suffering they still endure because of the abuse they suffered there.

Thing is how do you get to the bottom of it when the chief in the investigation is maybe the one causing all the mess and as been charged with corruption in another child abduction case???Its a vicious circle and only when outside investigations take place can they truly get to the bottom of it.

dear little children suffer at the hands of these monsters...they are too small and not capable of fighting back. Its adults who are suppose to protect them....what chance does a defenseless child have when faced with a grown up who wants to hurt them???

Its impossible for an adult to fight against such a person let alone a child.

Amarel says hes certain he and others with him did a good job???? flicking fag ash on a crime scene whilst allowing people to walk all over what could have been potential evidence? Hmmmmmmmmm very professional isn't he.... i would say he done good job to..a very good job of apparently cocking the whole thing up..

First things first get everyone from the scene and corner it off ...and get on with collecting any evidence thats left after you and your mates have finished using the place as an ashtray.

Is he even a cop.. or is he actually some sort of stand in from the local youth center?
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Gonc's Interview

Post by dianeh on Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:29 pm

Gonc can say all he wants about Madeleine being dead but it would appear that there is absolutely no proof that she is dead. We have to wait for the files to be opened for final confirmation, but without any evidence,then he is just blowing hot air.

He wouldnt be the first cop to go down the wrong path and then convince himself that he was correct. This is how most cops that pervert the course of justice start. It is their belief that they are right,and that the guilty party must be caught. And the ends are used to justify the means.

But I again raise the question of DNA evidence. If all they had was mitochondrial DNA, which is identical for Kate and her three children, being found in a location where it would be abnormal not to find any at all, then why were Kate & Gerry even made arguidos. Finding the DNA in the car, is the same as finding it in their apartment. Even if proven to be Madeleine's (if they had material with the cell nucleus intact), that still wouldnt have proved anything. It would need to be DNA from a dead body, and it clearly was not. And without some evidence like this, or the body, then Gonc is not doing himself any favours. His job was to prove that Madeleine was dead, he couldnt do it. And he should keep his opinion to himself, and that is all it is, opinion without any proof.
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Gonc's interview...

Post by calcite51 on Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:24 pm

I find it so hard to respect an officer who speaks and gives his opinion about an open case. I guess Gonc is only human and is looking or his fifteen minutes of fame - well - Gonc - you've had them and you will have some more when you have your day in court. I shall pray that if you are guilty, justice will be done (but I don't have much confidence in Portugal and no I'm not racist) .... Common sense tells me that some of the PJ's are probably corrupt, and some of Portugal's govenrment officials may also be corrupt.
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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by helenm on Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:34 pm

Gonc's interview says it all really, utter claptrap lol! I agree Calcite, 15 minutes of fame, released one week prior to the Mccanns going to the High Court and 2 weeks before the files are released. He wanted to spread his smears and inuendos prior to the truth coming out. A complete disgrace, my opinion backed up by the man put in charge of looking for Madeleine, Paul Rebelo, who has not discussed or asked his (Goncs) opinion. Why would it be such a surprise to Gonc? On his own admission he has passed information, albeit false, about the case to the media. Hardly the actions of a professional officer is it? Plus his alleged involvement in the torture of Lenora Cipriano, for which he faces trial in September. Nah, don't blame Rebelo one iota, not wanting to be influenced by this man who he clearly has no respect for.

One thing puzzles me. Why would Gonc say:

'“I’m worried about the girl, not the parents”.

IF he was so sure that Madeleine had died in that apartment?

Give him his due though he does admit to mistaking mistakes in the first hour of Madeleine's disappearance. He should hang his head in shame, the FIRST HOUR is crucial in anyones disappearance and as a highly?? educated police officer he failed in his duty.
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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by Tinkerbell43 on Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:01 pm

Well lets face it, Gonc is hardly going to say anything else is he. He is trying to save his own face.

At the end of the day it is his opinion, and his opinion was made before the conclusion of ALL the DNA results and 9 months before the conclusion of ALL investigations. If he was so certain then why didnt he wait just another 7 days before making the McCanns Arguido's when he would have had to have had evidence. He didnt wait because he knew if he did he wouldn't be able to substantiate the Arguido status.

Its all very well admitting to a mistake, but bloody hell what a mistake, its part of basic training and well known that the first hour is the golden hour!

So much for Clawdia saying that he was still being consulted and working behind the scenes after his removal! Paulo Rebelo has not even spoken to him!

Strange comment he made "I'm worried about the girl" is it me, but it doesnt read in a past tense type of way if you get my drift.
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The Gonc

Post by Guest on Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:59 pm

This person, is a loose cannon and I would guess that the authorities in Portugal, are furious with him.It looks as if he has been totally marginalised and it does not surprise me that Rebelo, who took the investigation over, never contacted him.His leadership of this enquiry, was a total disaster for this child and the Gonc, is clearly thinking of his own hide and is on the defensive.What did the Justice Minister say, once the Gonc was off the case, re the work needing to begin ?
Just because the McCs, have not started to sue yet, as it is obviously too early, does not mean that they will not.
When is the enquiry going to begin,into the Gonc's handling[or should it be bodging ?]
of this case and when can we expect charges to be laid, about his violation of the secrecy laws?
Why did the Gonc, apparently ignore the fact, that it is virtually unknown, for two children,to disappear,within a 10 kilometre area, without it being stranger abduction ?
We all know the answer to that, so no prizes offered.

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"Who Ate All The Pies"

Post by Mandz on Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:36 am

She never stood a chance with suspect “who ate all the pies” handling the case in my opinion. :evil:
IMO: If there had been another person in charge and they accepted expert help then we might have got answers. Why was he allowed to work on this CASE??? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
There might be a link between Joana and Maddie however “who ate all the pies” was never going to consider this because this would go against him when he goes to Court. 🐷 I hope the McCann lawyers in Portugal get their hands on the files to see the mess of this investigation and the disservice she received. :( No child deserves second best and if it was one of their children would they have received such a disservice? & refused outside experts help?? I bet not. 🇳🇴 Their professional code of conduct & accountability and responsibility must be questioned.

Does Scotland Yard have a right to take over this case considering they are no further forward? I hope so.
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Re: Correio da Manhã - DNA Evidence

Post by helenm on Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:53 am

Mandz you said:

'Does Scotland Yard have a right to take over this case considering they are no further forward? I hope so.



The following is an extract from a post from Tylersmum on the 3A's, remember her from DX days?

Tylersmum said (Saturday, 28th June,2008)

"The barrister who suggested having Madeleine made a ward of court was Michael Nicholls QC who for 5 years was head of the Lord Chancellors Abduction Unit.He would have known that if Madeleine was a missing ward of court the English authorities are obliged to search for her.
On July 7th the McCanns legal team could be asking for details of the sightings on the grounds that they would assist in the search for a missing ward of the English courts.
This is a separate matter from the criminal investigation being conducted by the Portuguese police.They could argue that the duty of the Leicestershire Police to assist the court to find a missing ward is greater than any agreement of confidentiality with the PJ.'


So if Tylersmum is correct then the British may be obliged to look for Madeleine. Let' see what happens.
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I was wrong...

Post by calcite51 on Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:07 pm

Watched America's Most Wanted and thought his quote on criminals being featured is more appropriate for Gonc '15 seconds of shame' and he should be ashamed of himself. Laffin
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Post by Mandz on Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:01 pm

Thank you for that!! I hope this turns out to be the case!!
Mandz :D
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Just picked up this crap from Metro.uk

Post by dianeh on Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:10 am

Police: Maddie did die in flat
Sunday, July 6, 2008 Missing Madeleine McCann could not have been abducted, Portuguese police are said to have concluded.

The final police report suggests the youngster died in the family's holiday apartment in Praia Da Luz on the Algarve, it was claimed.

Police have no evidence the youngster's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were involved in the disappearance of their daughter on May 3 last year.


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The couple, who strongly deny having a hand in her possible death, say they last saw Madeleine when they left the three-year-old sleeping in the flat while they went out for dinner.

But an exhaustive 13-month investigation showed it was 'theoretically impossible' the youngster was abducted, the newspaper Correio da Manha said.



Focus: The McCanns’ holiday flat in Praia Da Luz where Madeleine, inset, was last seen alive
Forensic tests on the apartment's window, through which an abductor might have carried Madeleine, revealed no traces of the girl.

The McCanns, both 40-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, were made suspects in the case in September. They were unavailable for comment.


Here is the link.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=206491&in_page_id=34

I dont know whether the Courier do Manure is posting conflicting articles, or that the Metro cannot translate properly. But with no forensic evidence to show Madeleine was killed (as posted previously in the Manure heap), I find it unbelievable that someone would write an article saying that it is 'impossible' (theoretically or otherwise)that Madeleine was abducted.

Lets look at the case of Elizabeth Smart (on another thread),there was no forensics there either,but she was abducted. I would have thought it more likely to get forensic evidence from a death than an abduction. Thinking back to the article with comments by the ex FBI man, Garrett, he said straight out that Madeleine was abducted, and I havent watched the video again but I think I remember that he suggested that abduction can leave very little in the way of forensics and the fact that the crime scene was not preserved means that there was very little hope of every finding any, if evidence was left. I still cannot believe that a judge (or coroner) would present a finding of Madeleine died in the apartment without any physical evidence.


What was needed was old fashioned on the ground police work? Just look back to Garrett's comments (on the blog) and watch the video for a refresher. I can hardly wait for his follow up story, after the secrecy order is lifted.

I have a question. Remember a few months ago, when the father on holidays threw his children off the balcony and his son died. An inquest was held in that country - Greece, but a second inquest was held in Britain.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144913&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231190&home=yes&more_nodeId1=144922&contentPK=20877625

So what I am wondering, is if the investigation into Madeleine is now closed, will an inquest be held in Britain, considering that she is a WOC. I feel sure that there will need to be more evidence than Gonc's assurance that Madeleine was killed in the apartment. It will need to be hard evidence to even get a death verdict in the inquest.

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Post by hughbforty on Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:14 pm

Hi everyone,

I just read the translation of the Portuguese report on the "DNA evidence" on Viv/Felicity/Bestrest's blog.

If there is any truth in the report, there is one feature which tears out the heart of the case against the McCanns. The evidence for bodily fluids from Madeleine found in the hire car was the central pillar of the case. This report suggests that the UK labs conclude that this evidence is inconclusive. To me, when I first heard the Sky News report regarding this evidence in Sept, this was clear evidence of the guilt of Madeleine's parents. Now, it seems that it wasn't true. Of course, there will be (and already have been on the impartial and reasoned blog mentioned above) allegations of a cover up. The dog evidence is inadmissable, so the UK authorities realised that withdrawing the DNA evidence would pull the rug from underneath the Portuguese authorities.

Also, they seem to be saying that there couldn't have been an abduction because Jane Tanner saw a man carrying Madeleine horizontally and she would have had to go through the window vertically. I don't think Jane has ever said that she saw someone being passed through the window? So why couldn't the abductor have simply shifted Madeleine's position between leaving the window and crossing the road?

So far we have had the blood under the parquet flooring, the paternity issue, the hire car evidence, the 10th Tapas member, government intervention, calling the media before the police - to name but a few "facts" that have been aired. How many of these, if any, will turn out to be true?

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Post by dianeh on Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:22 am

You are so right. The way that the 'evidence' is going up in smoke makes me wonder how the PJ ever convinced a judge to extend the secrecy order.

And the bit about JT and the way the man is carrying the girl is just ridiculous. I hope for the sake of the PJ that these 'comment' supposedly from the investgation files are not true. Imagine ruling out JT's testimony because you cant pass a child through a window the way he was carrying the child. You are 100% correct that the child's position could have been moved. And here is another though, perhaps he walked out the door, and was around the corner before JT came along and realised that he had gone the wrong way to meet the car. Or even saw someone and turned and went the other way, which is when JT saw him. Many explanations. I would like to know the real reason why JT's testimony was dismissed, but I doubt that this will show in the file.

STill waiting for the files to be opened.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:13 am

The way that the 'evidence' is going up in smoke makes me wonder how the PJ ever convinced a judge to extend the secrecy order.

its away of keeping the maccanns silent.................with this in order they cant speek

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