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Post by vee8 on Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:04 am

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article10142.ece

Maddie's parents are INNOCENT


05/08/2008




THERE'S absolutely no chance that the parents of Madeleine McCann would be charged with her murder in this country.
It would be an outrageous miscarriage of justice if they were.

I don't say that from any feelings of sympathy for Kate and Gerry McCann, but from examining the facts of the case - or rather, the total LACK of them.

I've been a detective at the most senior level for 30 years and have never seen such a witch-hunt, or one based on such flimsy evidence.

Again, I don't say this from believing in the McCanns' innocence or their guilt. I simply don't know either way.

But from the evidence I have read I don't think they did it.

Unless the Portuguese police have something else, it doesn't make sense. The couple don't fit the profile and their opportunity was limited.

Throughout my career I have based my conclusions on hard evidence-and here there isn't any.

Sadly, I have to admit that is because of the sheer inadequacy of the police investigation that began when little Madeleine disappeared on the night of May 3.

Among the many things the Portuguese police SHOULD have done that night, but didn't, was treat the McCanns as the prime suspects.

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That's what I'd have done. It's a matter of statistical fact that three out of four child murders are committed by the parents.

So their behaviour, movements, what they said, how they said it, what they did, who they were with, should have been instantly put under the police microscope.

They should have been sympathetically but relentlessly grilled again and again about what had happened that night.

They weren't.

That police error has become their tragedy now, because if they had been properly investigated back then they may well have been cleared. And thus free now to concentrate on the hunt to find their missing four-year-old, rather than somehow proving their innocence.

Hand-in-glove with treating the McCanns as suspects, the entire apartment and its environs should have been totally sealed off and barred to anyone but specially-trained police and forensic scientists who would have checked every millimetre of it for evidence.

It wasn't.

Police don't call the time after a crime, particularly one against children, the Golden Hour for nothing. In fact, I always insist it's a Golden Day - the time when forensic evidence is most fresh and easy to detect, when memories are most sharp, when lies and alibis are most vulnerable.

At its most basic, a bloodstain is easiest to see when it's still wet.

Instead, Kate and Gerry McCann were just treated as grieving parents. Nicer for them, but no use in solving a crime they may have been involved in.

And the possible murder scene was treated as a glorified meeting-room to organise a search for a missing child, instead of the potential treasure trove of clues it actually was. To any experienced British detective, it is incomprehensible.

I spent ten years heading Britain's Psychological Offender Profiling Committee for the Home Office. It was set up after the so-called Railway Murders, in which monster John Francis Duffy killed two women and stalked and raped four others close to London train stations.

I worked alongside other very senior detectives, top civil servants and psychological profilers like Professor David Canter - who this week appeared on a TV programme about Madeleine's disappearance.

And I instinctively found myself agreeing when my friend Prof Canter concluded: "I feel abduction is the most likely possibility."

In other words, the McCanns were not involved. Everything I've learned about the couple tells me their profile simply doesn't fit as killers of their own child.

They've been criticised for being too controlled in their dealings with the media. It doesn't surprise me at all. They're both highly professional medics, one a surgeon the other a GP.

They're trained and experienced in dealing with crises - and professionals react to crises with calm.

Of course, anyone can get caught in horrendous circumstances and in panic try to lie their way out of it.

But my experience has shown those lies, particularly elaborate and choreographed deceit as this would have to be, can rarely be maintained before cracks start to show.

And particularly so when the suspects choose to place themselves under the intense, unprecedented scrutiny the McCanns have faced. But that's just my opinion, informed and based on considerable experience as it is.

Meanwhile, the police investigation that started so disastrously has turned to farce. Every apparent stream of evidence has been either missed, fatally compromised or is simply ludicrous.

For instance, Mrs McCann being allowed to hang on to Madeleine's favourite toy CuddleCat. Consoling for her, of course, but that's not the point -it had gone to bed with Madeleine, been taken from her and placed on a high shelf, presumably by the abductor.

CuddleCat was therefore vital evidence. Even a rookie detective should know it was highly likely an abductor's DNA would be on it.

But it was left for Mrs McCann to clutch, her other children to play with and spread Madeleine's DNA around.

Then there was the suggestion the McCanns somehow smuggled their daughter's body away in a car they hired 25 days after her disappearance.

Where did they hide the remains in that time? How did they do this when their every move, at their encouragement, was under the media spotlight?

There's also a very unpleasant aspect to face. What state, unless it had been in a deep freeze, would the body have been in? I'm afraid very gruesome indeed, probably with considerable leakage of bodily fluids and sloughing off of body cells.

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The smell alone would have been appalling and would linger endlessly in any enclosed space like a car.

I'm bewildered by reports leaked by the Portuguese police that tiny traces have been found in the vehicle. My experience says it would probably be a great deal. If not, then anything found should be treated with extreme caution.

In Britain, forensic evidence alone rarely solves cases. When it does, such as in rape cases, it hits the headlines because of its infrequency. But even then it's usually in support of more conventional evidence.

None of the so-called forensic finds being boasted of in Portugal sound either likely, admissible or even possible to me.

Evidence from cadaver dogs, for instance, could not be used to bring about a conviction here. Generally they are regarded as being at best 80 per cent reliable.

And so it has gone on. The police haven't even found poor Madeleine's body - though that doesn't surprise me when you know rubbish bins in that small Portuguese seaside town weren't even searched in the week of her disappearance, before the contents were dumped in a landfill site.

To me, there is only one possible conclusion. There is so far not a single shred of evidence that justifies charges against the McCanns.

But the worst thing is that, while the Portuguese police continue their single-minded determination to nail them, they ignore other lines of inquiry.

And, worst of all, they are failing to carry on the hunt to try to find Madeleine alive.
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Post by maria theresa on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:22 am

Exactly. Thanks for that reminder vee. I didn't keep that article when it first appeared.

I will now!

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Post by Peaceful1 on Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:23 pm

Send it to tb Vee, you know he likes having facts to work with. Try giving him this.
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Post by vee8 on Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:59 pm

I thought facts brought him out in a rash?!
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Post by maria theresa on Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:44 pm

He always studiously avoids facts, or makes up reasons for rejecting them as facts.

I think he gets a weird enjoyment out of constructing outlandish conspiracy theories. He then manipulates "information" to include everything which could possibly be twisted to support those theories and to exclude everything which proves them wrong.

I don't understand the psychology or mentality which would lead someone to do that, especially when it involves hurting those who are hurting already. It wouldn't be so bad if it involved something harmless like "proving" that little green men live on Mars.

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Post by whymadeleine on Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:22 am

OMG
I just had a vision of TB dancing around in green tights
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Post by Pedro Silva on Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:38 pm

Alex, with all do respect, I don´t agree with you.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:17 pm

Alex, I know it´s a "bad fault", but you must consider also this: if, by any chance a body was dumped at that landfill site you mentioned, and considering the searches conducted by several people from PDL (residents / outsiders) at the early stages of the investigation, even despite the mistakes we all know, surely it was located at that time. As you know, no body was found.

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Post by bluj1515 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:48 am

I agree with you, Alex.
If Madeleine was killed, and it's a very real, sad possibility, then not searching the bins IS a real problem.
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Post by dianeh on Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:07 am

Alex, Bluj

It goes a step further than not searching the bins. Once the bins were emptied, then a seach of the dump/tip should have been carried out straight away. Just as it was in the US for that little girl abducted on her way home from school.

The possibility of Madeleine being killed and dumped in the rubbish should have been investigated thoroughly, if only because of the bins being emptied so soon after her disappearance. Just another in a long list of poor procedures by the PJ.
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Post by dianeh on Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:21 pm

Sorry Alex, I am not doubting you, but just what does this document say. How was it verified that each of the bins was checked?

And yes, the searchers may have checked the bins, but all of them needed to be checked, and this would take careful planning to make sure all bins were checked before they were emptied. And how soon after Madeleine was taken were the emptied. If it was the following day, then it is unlikely that the bins were ALL checked.

So my question is (to put my mind at rest, if for no other reason) is how does this document verify that the bins were checked before they were emptied? I cant read Portuguese, and babelspeak is too confusing for official documents.
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Post by maria on Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 pm

The date on that document is the 5th of May and the text states that the search was done 'on this date'. So, the bins were emptied at least once between Madeleine's disappearance and the search. Or is it that there is/was no daily rubbish collection in Luz?

And interestingly enough, it took until October to join this document to the files, that is, until Amaral was kicked out and Rebelo came in...???
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Post by Cath on Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:58 pm

maria wrote:The date on that document is the 5th of May and the text states that the search was done 'on this date'. So, the bins were emptied at least once between Madeleine's disappearance and the search. Or is it that there is/was no daily rubbish collection in Luz?

And interestingly enough, it took until October to join this document to the files, that is, until Amaral was kicked out and Rebelo came in...???

2007/05/07

That would be either 7 May or 5 July. Think it was 7 May though.
I'm not sure about a daily rubbish collection, but there's been posters who've said they're emptied daily.
So why didn't they search the dump and why doesn't Mark Harrison mention this in his report(s).
And why didn't they take the !@#$ UK dogs to the dump? Just to be sure?
Seems there's also underground bins.
And how did they search, by emptying the bins or just opening and looking inside? Did they split up in teams, individuals or did the four of them search together?
188/4 that's 47 each....

Sloppy report, as usual. But perhaps the clue to that is your last remark. Perhaps he didn't write a report, just told his superiors they've found nothing, until in October he was asked to write it down?

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Post by Pedro Silva on Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:38 pm

My friends, here is the translation about the bins document above:

"Subject: Checking the garbage containers".

"I take to inform Your Excellency that, on this date, the signatory in the company of Inspector Mr. Luís Piedade, and three officials of the Municipality of Lagos, responsible for collecting garbage in Praia da Luz, we move to this location, and checked in detail all existing waste containers in that area, including underground and in the vicinity, a total of 188, nothing has been found relevant to the investigation".

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Post by Pedro Silva on Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:32 pm

The credits should also go to our friend Cath, because she was the one who wrote the link at the topic: "not searching the bins in PDL".

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/RUBBISH.htm

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Post by dianeh on Sat May 01, 2010 6:33 pm

Cath

Spot on, 188 bins is a lot to search in a day. If just opened and looked in, unless the bins were empty then it would be necessary to remove the rubbish for a better look.
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Post by dianeh on Sat May 01, 2010 6:35 pm

And Maria

So we are not even sure that the bins were searched at all, as the document may not even have been written until October, although it is dated May. Why would this not have been included in the files from the word go, if a search had been carried out? Certainly regardless if Madeleine was abducted or killed, the bins would be a hiding spot that needed to be ruled out.
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Post by maria on Sat May 01, 2010 7:26 pm

Of course they weren't! We know that from the very beginning. And your'r right, the date was 7th May, not 5th.
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Post by Cath on Sun May 02, 2010 1:32 am

The GNR wrote quite a long report about everything they did during the first couple of days. Think that was in November.
GNR did most of the searching. Strange that a PJ (inspector?) went searching in rubbish bins. I wouldn't expect them to do that, getting dirty hands.
At that time (May 7th) most of the PJ men (Inspectors) were taking statements.
Would be interesting to check if there's statements on that day taken by Franco too........

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