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AMARAL\'S TV INTERVIEW ON SIC TRANSLATED AND POSTED BY PEDRO

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AMARAL'S TV INTERVIEW ON SIC TRANSLATED AND POSTED BY PEDRO

Post by Rosie on Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:11 am

by Pedro Silva Yesterday at 8:22 pm



My friends, here it is the complete translation:

Miguel: Good evening GA, thank you for this interview. Now the investigation begins, you are dining with a friend in Portimao, you are placed in Portimao eating some shrimps, good taste, you coordinate that area at the Portimao county, of Lagos, and then you receive a phone call saying that a little British girl has disappeared at Praia da Luz, so, I think that in your place you should be released immediately because that was a case which assumed great gravity, paedophile, Algarve, tourism, English, etc, etc, why didnīt you go immediately to the crime scene and give instructions to PJ picket, let me finish, to say to whoever goes there to be very careful with the evidences?

GA: itīs like this, we have many cases in Portimao, and the PJ coordinator could not, would not be present, itīs like this now, PJ works really well, has experts, has technicians, it is established to function well, it doesnīt need a coordinator, the coordinator has other things to do, besides to go along to the police picket, as you can guess, we have many cases (Miguel says: that is in any case, but in this case thatīs not justified, you are at 20 kilometers of the crime scene (GA says: perhaps in a week or two it could justified), now the issue is, we have many things to do (Miguel says: you released yourself, that, the first ones, gathering evidences, whoever was there, did not do a very good job (GA says, a normal job inside the perspective that abduction, shall we say, the theft of, the theft of a person in the case and that inspects the site as if it were a theft, the object who was there was removed, it was a lack of procedures that PJ is somehow rethink and has a lot to do with that, with the perspective approach to inspect the site in this case (Miguel says: didnīt you think that you must go there immediately?) itīs not to think, itīs like this, the coordinator or director doesnīt have to go there, the coordinator has to control and I controlled it (Miguel: perhaps it was better to go there, donīt you regret of not being there later?) No, I donīt regret, police professionals, are police professionals, they are experts, technicians, we being there and as a sign for a technician to gather fingerprints and with the job of taking photos (Miguel: for example, at certain time you...) it is something that should justified PJ to go there (Miguel: public experience, at a certain time you must regret that you did not know how the English, the McCanns were dressed on that night, and says it is a shame that they took so many photos during holidays, but not during night?) No, they took during night they just didnīt showed up (Miguel: didnīt showed up) and I (Miguel: I asked you if you a have a man there?) GA If Miguel allows me, itīs like this, I'm a man under an injunction and talk directly about it here in the case, I donīt know if Iīm going to break the injunction, there is a conflict of sides, help me a bit in that (Miguel: Iīll help: justify people, an injunction is a order governed by court, I read the sentence which says: you cannot talk about your bookīs thesis, but you can talk about other thesis) I can talk about the abduction (Miguel: I asked you this because when you said you regret that there are no photos to know how the English were dressed that night, yet you had a man in charge of taking photos, so why did he not take photos of the English people also? How can anyone remembers saying to take photos of everything? Yes, such mistakes happen a lot, and in many cases, I remind a case, itīs in the book also, of an expert who showed up in the photos with a brush in her hand in the outside window of the little girlīs room, and without any protection, today the experts, the police in the crime scene has their own clothes (Miguel: youīve learned with your mistakes) and we didnīt look at CSI (Miguel: seems to me you had a lifetime chance as a pseudo-criminal investigator, you had a difficult case to solve, no argument about that, but under worldwide attention, that immediately became global news, at a time when speaks about child abductions, paedophiles, you had a golden chance to shine personally, to show your corporation in a good light (GA says: itīs not bright) Miguel says: you had 2 goals: 1- find Maddie, or discover what happened to her, you have failed both, you failed your mission and you failed your chance) GA: no, no, I gave my contribution to the investigation until I was no longer allowed to be there, and I can tell you that I was not alone in the investigation as the coordinator. GA, the director of Portimao who was alone in the charge of the investigation and the director (Miguel: but it was you who was the public face of the investigation) GA says no. Miguel says: you were the one who talked a lot about her) GA: no, the public face was the one used in Englandīs terms, or here, in Portugal also, I just spoke about her when I left the police, until that, if I was seen in or out the police, it was to go to my office, to lunch with colleagues and so on, Miguel says: then I īll take the explosive charge on yourself: The team you conducted failed both goals. GA says: no. Miguel: itīs a fact evidence isnīt it? GA says: not wanting to break the injunction, many evidences was gathered and Iīm talking in good faith, and I think Iīm not breaking the injunction. I cannot speak about the book, but you doctor can (Miguel: yes I can, I was not forbidden, when you talk about evidences, you speaks about the hypothesis of her being killed by her parents, to hide her body) GA: no, no I never said that, Miguel says: but it is what is in the book, GA: what I say in the book, let me explain (Miguel: but you had fun yourself). GA: I donīt say, (Miguel: the final conclusion), GA: no, no, then you had not read the book, that book is the English truth and there is nothing there. Miguel: I have not read it? Oh yes I have read it, the book ends with 4 conclusions marked in black. GA says: conclusions which are not talking about murder by the parents. (Miguel: I didnīt said murder by her parents, could been killed accidentally). GA repeats: no, no,accidentally is not killed by someone, an accident is an accident, itīs not any murder. Miguel says: it is involuntary murder, you always told that they hid their daughterīs body, is that not in your book? Miguel repeats this question, Is this not in your book?) GA says: this is where you Miguel is wrong, whatīs in the book is six month of investigation, during which I was in charge and where it concludes with reports which are there, the suspicions at that time and has you Miguel knows, criminal investigation has itīs time, a beginning, a middle and an end, and so on, and in that moment there was suspicion, which doesnīt mean later, but, but (Miguel says: but the suspicions were mostly yours, you know GA, another thing that is impressive is, letīs get back, shall we (GA: you are putting words in my mouth, you are forbidden) Miguel continues: no no, the words are mine, my conclusions and taken from your book and taken from the process)

GA says: no the suspicions, you are putting words in my mouth or what, no, you are talking about the injunction, it is an interpretation of the book (Miguel: it is an interpretation of the book, you receive the news, gives the order to PJ picket, go to your home, (GA: yes, like in any other case). Miguel continues: you go to your home, wake up in the morning, this is in your book, and the first thing that comes to your brain is to ask the British who are the McCanns? And you start immediately to suspect and ask questions, the questions you ask are: if they hurt children, if the have a serious problem with law, if they have psychological problems, if they are in fact doctors in full time, and then, much ahead you say is common sense in these cases to suspect of the parents, so, you have not yet seen the McCanns, you have not yet been at the crime scene and youīre already suspect them? Is it, or is it not. Youīre a master). GA says: yes, then says, listen, I or any other, yes, yes, itīs normal, to suspect, youīre wrong, itīs common sense, listen doctor, you are making fantasies, something, Miguel says: no, Iīm not making fantasies, I read your book). GA repeats: the issue is this: the national and international laws in any of these cases and we were criticised by the FBI about this, is the issue of suspect or not of parents, or the closest in these types of cases and I can tell you, (Miguel says: you believe, but I donīt say suspect, at a certain time now, the first suspicions is that it?). GA says: itīs not the first suspicion, we have to know first who those people are. Miguel says: Was it not most urgent to know if the borders were all closed? Are all the marinas under surveillance? All the cars who left there under control?). GA says: But we knew. We took care of that. No, it cannot know all cars who left there. And look, we reached the conclusion that for example the Via of Infant has some TV cameras which didnīt work, we talked with Spanish colleagues to control the border of Cádiz, in terms of access to Morocco, all those, Tenerife, and so on (Miguel says: the marinas were not immediately controlled, because I know who left for example of Lagos marina one day after, quietly).


GA: but we have all that information. We know that. From a place where some occurrence happens, we analyze it, if there are CCTV, if there are no CCTV, if there are any CCTV, what can be seen, what cannot be seen, all of that, at the same time, look, saying that we aimed immediately to, itīs not like that, that question is relativity to the parents, excuse me, that first question, that, was answered, it is the first, was never answered, it is the first, it is important to understand... (Miguel: since the first day, anyone who read your book concludes immediately that in the first meeting, at the end of the first day, is the strongest hypothesis you have, and I believe that has been created at a certain time of the investigation, but now, is the first hypothesis of work, it is the first hypothesis of work you pick and seems to be the only. GA says: itīs not (Miguel insists: it looks to be the only one). GA repeats: not itīs not. Miguel insists again: it is, it is. GA says: doctor read the book. Miguel says: I read the book. GA says: notice, there are at the book , there are the investigations for the abduction, there we have the abduction, what has been done. Miguel says: in terms of abduction, yes). GA says: talks about a polish couple and an investigation, that, if you read the book (Miguel: yes, I read it) GA: as for me, I donīt agree with that end of, I donīt agree, but even the McCanns donīt talk about them and there are other situations, situations if, goes to the process, we have the book, then, the process, we have the book which I wrote, I was inside, this is the reason why I wrote it , I can explain it to you later, and there is the process which was been given to the journalists, the book is forbidden, the process is not, the process reaches the same conclusions of those first six months, but if you notice, (Miguel says: no) Ga, says: there are diligencies, if you notice doctor (and Miguel says: no). GA says: have you read the process?. Miguel says: there are diligencies which have not been carried out and which are not made, exactly because it stays since the beginning in the hypothesis of being the parents guilty. GA says: that's a lie, no, itīs a lie). Miguel says: On the very first day: the GNR dogs which went there on the first day all of them pointed to the parking lot, the trail which they follow stops at the parking lot, that lead points to a car that took the child out of there, and that is never, excuse me, never, instead, it stays, stayed six months, five months...).

GA says: and Iīll tell you more, yes, pointed to what? No, sorry, pointed to a car, why, where did you read that, in my book? (Miguel: no, that is not in your book). GA: but it is also in the book, the GNR dogs are good, these are sniffer dogs, what they followed was the trail of a living child, you understand, it was the route of that child, you doctor say it is a car, and Miguel says: why do you say that she was not alive? GA says: excuse me, but, how do you doctor say it was a car, you donīt know the day, hours before the... Miguel says, that in a parking lot it is most likely that it was a car, and if you accepted the idea you give me, Iīm not an expert in criminal investigation, now the idea that gives me that is since the beginning and if what we have, started with a serious work in the hypothesis of the abduction, the first suspicion is that the child was taken by a car, instead, instead...).

GA: oh doctor, there is a witness who even talks that the child went out in the opposite way (Miguel says: exactly, which you give no credibility, which is another English friend of the McCanns, and which you give also no credibility to that witness). GA: Iīm not giving credibility? And Miguel says again: no you donīt, you give no credit at all. GA: itīs possible, neither me, nor anyone else. That lady starts by saying this, then by saying that, then itīs going to change, when, in the middle, the only thing she remembered was the hair, she remembers the photo-fit which was the hair and so on, what she remembered is that it was filling everything, until reach the point of recognizes Robert Murat as the author, so, that cannot be, now itīs yes, these are all things which are to be done. Miguel says: the first person who suspects of Robert Murat is you, isnīt it? It is you. Youīre the first. Youīre the first who goes there and decides to put him under surveillance. GA says: It is Jane Tanner. Youīre wrong. It is Jane Tanner, no, no, and Miguel says: yeah, but I donīt talk about that suspect. Well, back to my story, this is a thesis, much like yours, I think the story of the abduction was not investigated properly or enough, because the PJ was a prisoner immediately attached to the other hypothesis: the most darkest theory of them all, and moreover, for me, it contains a thing that I still donīt see any person to explain it: How can a British couple, who is on vacation at the Algarve, who doesnīt know the country, then at night, between 9.30 and 10.00 pm, doesnīt know why, doesnīt know the reason, which mobile / purpose, in which circumstances, wanted, not wanted, kills their daughter and makes the body disappear in half an hour and that no one can find? Evaporates? GA says: Itīs like this, the words kill the daughter are form you doctor not mine (Miguel says: theyīre mine) the period between 9.30 and 10.00 are from the suspects (Miguel says: from the suspects, of some of the suspects, which were already at the restaurant where employees, witnesses seeing them, even if they were all in... how can a body just disappear?). GA says: oh doctor, letīs talk about one thing, there is one thing, one thing that is said, wait a minute, there is one thing that is said in the report, for me is the principal mistake of the shelve of the process, let me remind, the doctor in an article of June 21st told no to the shelve and against the shelve, and there I agree with you, with everything else behind, the most part I do not agree, but in the issue about the shelve, I agree with you, not a bit as the report about the public ministry: the issue, and even at the British police reports at mpa (Miguel says: are reports... makes a body disappears in half an hour in a foreign country at night?). GA says: Iīīm going to answer, wait, what half an hour? Miguel repeats: half an hour. GA says: the child is seen by people outside the couple (Miguel says: 7.30) at 17h35 and then an Irish couple which told saw someone with the, with possibly with that, not sure, at 22h15 and which gives (Miguel says: ah, then) excuse me, who gives the wall, who gives the window of (Miguel says: so your thesis....) is Mr. Gerald McCann, not my thesis (Miguel says: so, you cannot speak about your thesis, but youīre telling me that is also possible to put the hypothesis that, the child died between 17h35 and 22h). GA says: donīt have any doubts about that. you doctor limited half an hour, and Iīm not talking in deaths, is someone to have killed, the couple, never mind about it, what is told internationally, (Miguel says: so, if it was not death, what was it? They abducted themselves their own daughter?), GA says:; wait, Iīm not telling you that they killed her, thatīs not what Iīm saying, what is told internationally and in terms of investigation here in Portugal and in any country of the world and it is told by British police, that cannot be trusted at the timetables which are provided by the suspects, and that is why the Public ministry made a mistake to the shelve the process, if you read the dispatch of the shelving, it says: the couple could not have done this or that at that time because they wasnīt there, but who gave that half an hour? Was it Mr. Gerald McCann and Mrs. Kate McCann? (Miguel says: and all the others, all the friends?), GA says: no, no, not all the friends.

by Pedro Silva Today at 11:12 am


GA: It is you, whose going to use an apartment (Miguel says to go to that apartment) GA says: just to that apartment (Miguel says: not just that one, there are other apartments, six friends dining plus an older lady, seven people who says all that goes there minutes in minutes) GA says: there are seven children and only goes to that apartment? No, itīs like this: Mr. Matthew Oldfield, for example, said that he never saw the girl and says he entered in the apartment and didnīt see her, now itīs like this: Iīm talking in general terms, not want to break any injunction, it is needed to have careful with that, all Iīm saying in technical terms, of police experts, in police terms, it cannot be trusted in, itīs in the reports, even the British police (Miguel says: it cannot be trusted and I believe in what the witnesses says) GA says: it is not about what the witnesses says, the suspect, donīt you forget that (Miguel says again: but you determined them as suspects before they become suspects, it is what it seems to me, really, the idea you give me is and they are immediately suspects, that you woke up in the next day in the morning and without even having looked at their faces, you are already suspect them, is that a golden rule? I think that the golden rule here is to start investigate, if there are evidences and then comes the suspicions, but before you have any evidences there are already suspicions? Seems to me Mr.Amaral, excuse me for that, but seems to me that you started from a thesis and looked for evidences to confirm your thesis, instead of doing otherwise). GA says: youīre wrong, they are not, but it is a golden rule, no, in international terms, in rules terms, we donīt have many cases. No, on the contrary, I can tell you something: in the beginning they said it was a case similar to the one with Joana Cipriano, I said no (Miguel says: similar with the Joana Cipriano) and GA, nervously, says:not again, Miguel repeats: similar with the Joana Cipriano, GA says: our mistake (Miguel says: itīs the same), GA says: no, itīs not the same, itīs not the same, Miguel says: you also investigated, also no body and you concludes with it was the mother and the brother). GA, nervous: I, I, didnīt conclude it, it was the court of Portimao who concludes it and they were condemned (Miguel says: you only feels satisfied, now, let me ask you: you were convinced, Iīm not convinced, I believe you had been satisfied as investigator that the court corroborated your thesis, right? In the case of Joana Cipriano).


by Pedro Silva Today at 11:58 am

GA says: But why my thesis? (Miguel says: now, after being proved that she was beaten, that is also being judged, that she was beaten hard (GA says: who was condemned?) Miguel says: you are condemned with a suspended probation, suspended not for beating her but for making false declarations about the case), GA says: how can false declarations, how can we reach that? Iīm going to explain it quickly (Miguel says: a judicial sentence, Iīm guided by the sentence now) GA: no, I was listened always and as a witness... (Miguel says: let me ask you a question: you think that in this country (Portugal) many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter? A very few people Mr. Amaral, very few people (GA says: You think?) very few people and we donīt believe: how can a woman without any instruction, without any proof, who was beaten hard by PJ (GA says: nothing has been proved, you are going to...) how can she managed, managed to be so clever, that she kills her daughter, hides the body and PJ couldnīt get a single trace? Miguel continues: where is the body? (GA says: the inspection which was carried 12 days after and then letīs see the circumstances in which he was, there is blood, washing of the apartment itself, a person who never washed the apartment, wash it at that time, there are a series of traces, if you want to talk about that case, letīs talk, I mean (Miguel says: no, some should exist for the court to condemned her, now there is also a revue of the sentence based on something) GA says: yes it was inferred the review of the sentence), Miguel says: it was inferred? I didnīt know that, look, I wish it had been, because that doesnīt convince me) GA says: why doesnīt it convince you?, Miguel says: because it doesnīt convince me, because I have a previous suspicion about defendants who reach court, after confessing to crimes made under beatings, which is obvious, I cannot accept that, therefore, I suspect). GA says: but, do you suspect of me? Miguel says: you signed the confession. GA says: Do you think so? In what time? Miguel says: itīs in the confession in the files, I donīt know or have assumed? What I know is: she was taken out of jail, during night, she was taken back to PJ facilities and they returned her beaten, it was during night, and besides, it was participated by the warden of the jail, right?).


GA says: at night? Took her at night. Yeah, it was, maybe it should be listened better, because you know... if we are going to talk about this case (Miguel says: but we are not going to talk about Joana Cipriano, letīs go back to Maddieīs case), GA says: Letīs talk, look, there is one thing essential, letīs focus here a very fast thing: I was accused in this process of omission of seeing and denounce and I ask: what does that lady do when she thought that she had someone there and she told that PJ doesnīt asked for forensics, didnīt inform the Public ministry, why does she asked to a worker, a person under her dependence, wait, let me finish this, why did she asked for a dependant medic by green tickets to make one medical exam attached to a psychiatric, this is interesting, because there are experts in Odemira, you doctor know where Odemira is and there are forensic experts there, it can be done there. It will not be a German psychiatrist in green tickets dependent of the lady warden that will make forensics (Miguel: Iīm not discussing the Joana case, I donīt have time, what I want is Maddie case, it still actual, it didnīt reach any conclusion, at the time of the Maddie case, the Times of London wrote something which I agree completely: it said like this (GA says: itīs in your opinion? I cannot give mine?) Miguel says: about this you can give it, Times told: "Portuguese police continues to be the bulk of their investigations in the self-incrimination of arguidos, of suspects (GA says: thatīs a lie), Miguel continues: listen: or thought the tapping phone calls where they confess the crime, or through confessions and I remembered this; after that, because when you tell in the book that you invited Kate McCann as arguida, that there was great expectations that she confessed spontaneously and she didnīt confess and the husband didnīt confess and then they return to England, you become very disappointed because they returned to England, because from that moment on, they are not here for you to continue interrogate them, because, (GA says: To England we already knew they were going to... it says here that our director, was hasted the nomination as arguidos, but they were leaving and there are statements in that direction, but saying that (Miguel says;: but it was a right who assists them) Ga says: yes, it was, completely), Miguel says: to whom had read the news blown by police and by the press, by police obviously (GA says: why obviously? Why not by the Public ministry, by British police?) Miguel says: it was by Public ministry, by British police. Its another opinion of mine; for you it seemed that the McCanns were suspects because they returned to England, to return home five months later, but, their purpose was to stay here and be interrogated, be interrogated by PJ until they confessed something they never did, isnīt that right?), GA says: we are running out of time, you told me so, letīs change the format and you doctor talks and Iīm going to tell you very quickly one important thing: look, as for the couple McCann, the couple only mentioned in leaving in the day that British dogs arrived to Portugal and then Mr. Gerald McCann knowing the potentialities of those dogs, and to be all enlightened (Miguel says: I donīt see the connection, if he were in London, wouldnīt the dogs acted the same way?) GA says: seems that the dogs only failed here, itīs because of the heat in Algarve (Miguel says: what difference can they make by being here or not, at the same time as the dogs?) GA says: what difference? They knew whatīs going to happened next, until that, they walked holding hands and PJ gave them information, just to say something. I wrote that book - the truth of lie, in the exercise of my freedom of speech like the judge told, because the attacks towards me, which I was targeted, Iīm going to tell you: they call me, the British press: 418 times shameful, 440 times outrageous, 140 times torturer, 45 times disabled, 37 times incompetent, 23 times libertine cop, 20 times sacked, let me tell you: when my freedom of speech is in stake, and when at Republic Assembly discusses problems of freedom of speech, as it was told recently, for me is something smaller, because the discussion should be extended, because whatīs in stale here is not only the Gonįalo Amaralīs freedom of speech, itīs in stake the freedom of speech of the journalists and the freedom of speech of this countryīs citizens. Miguel says with a bored expression: yes, yes, I heard, so, you made your statement, I only want a short answer to this question: imagine, imagine yourself, because me I cannot imagine: that the McCanns are indeed innocent, imagine that they under the excruciating pain of losing their daughter, who was abducted, which they do not know what happened to her, they had still suffered the ignominy of seeing themselves considered suspects of having killed and hiding their daughterīs corpse, have you already thought about that hypothesis? GA says: I have already thought and thought about all of them. Miguel says: and you sleep with tranquility with the certain that that didnīt happened? Ga says: I do sleep, you know why? Itīs like this: who demanded the shelving of the process? You doctor told in that title from the Express diy 21: The couple McCann. Who conformed with the shelving of the process? The couple McCann (Miguel says: excuse, but, they are not confirmed they want reopen the process). GA says: Excuses, you doctor donīt know the rules. They at that time, opening the instruction, speaks about the process reopened.

Miguel says: Dr. GA, I have to "shelve" the interview.

GA says: sadly, sadly.


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Post by Pedro Silva on Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:37 am

Rosiepops, my friend, thank you for post here the complete interview.

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Post by Rosie on Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:02 am

NO Pedro, the thanks is all to you for undertaking this huge task of translation for us. I have just read it and I understand it perfectly, thank you so much for doing this for Kate and Gerry and for us and the forum, we really do appreciate it.
There is so much that I want to comment on and I shall be, I will take it a little by little because there is so much to talk about in this interview.

I am so appreciative that you did this for us and this presenter Miguel, really tore into Goncalo Amaral and I have a feeling that this is only the start of things to come, as more and more people realise how badly Kate and Gerry have been treated and more than this, how terribly little Madeleine has been let down by Goncalo Amaral and now we learn Ricardo Paiva too.

I was also so very pleased to see that Miguel mentioned Joana and Leonor Cipriano and was so glad to read that Miguel thinks that most people in Portugal do NOT believe that Leonor killed her daughter.

Thank you Pedro.

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Post by lily on Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:59 am

Thank you very much Pedro. Translations such as these are invaluable to us on forums where we want the truth to come out. Hugs

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Post by Rosie on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:07 am

It seems to me that Goncalo Amaral has actually broken the terms of his injunction, so i do hope that Dra Isabel Duarte was viewing this interview and intends to do something about this. Gone are the days when Goncalo Amaral can get away with being a law unto himself in Portugal, the Portuguese people and authorities are sick of him.

Miguel says: about this you can give it, Times told: "Portuguese police continues to be the bulk of their investigations in the self-incrimination of arguidos, of suspects (GA says: thatīs a lie), Miguel continues: listen: or thought the tapping phone calls where they confess the crime, or through confessions and I remembered this; after that, because when you tell in the book that you invited Kate McCann as arguida, that there was great expectations that she confessed spontaneously and she didnīt confess and the husband didnīt confess and then they return to England, you become very disappointed because they returned to England, because from that moment on, they are not here for you to continue interrogate them, because, (GA says: To England we already knew they were going to... it says here that our director, was hasted the nomination as arguidos, but they were leaving and there are statements in that direction, but saying that (Miguel says;: but it was a right who assists them) Ga says: yes, it was, completely), Miguel says: to whom had read the news blown by police and by the press, by police obviously (GA says: why obviously? Why not by the Public ministry, by British police?) Miguel says: it was by Public ministry, by British police. Its another opinion of mine; for you it seemed that the McCanns were suspects because they returned to England, to return home five months later, but, their purpose was to stay here and be interrogated, be interrogated by PJ until they confessed something they never did, isnīt that right?), GA says: we are running out of time, you told me so, letīs change the format and you doctor talks and Iīm going to tell you very quickly one important thing: look, as for the couple McCann, the couple only mentioned in leaving in the day that British dogs arrived to Portugal and then Mr. Gerald McCann knowing the potentialities of those dogs, and to be all enlightened (Miguel says: I donīt see the connection, if he were in London, wouldnīt the dogs acted the same way?) GA says: seems that the dogs only failed here, itīs because of the heat in Algarve (Miguel says: what difference can they make by being here or not, at the same time as the dogs?) GA says: what difference? They knew whatīs going to happened next

If Amaral had told the truth to the prosecutor then the McCanns would never have been made arguidos, because Amaral lied about the DNA results, was the only reason why they were made suspects. Goncalo Amaral should have been charged with knowingly misleading the prosecutor and for trumping up a false charge. He was specifically told by John Lowe of the FSS that the DNA was inconclusive and that meant it could have been anyone's DNA, Amaral ignored that and made them suspects - in short Amaral lied through hes back teeth.

The McCanns were free to return to the UK at anytime prior to being made arguidos. They were informed weeks before they were made arguidos that they were going to be formally questioned, they were told this by none other than Ricardo Paiva and then they were just left hanging, while Amaral played and messed about with their minds. Despite all of this they remained in Portugal and waited for the PJ to send for them to be questioned, the dogs and what they were *alleged* to have found, did not even come into this, in any case, why did Amaral say this? There was a secrecy order in place, a secrecy order which Amaral himself invoked although he did not have to, so no one should have known anything about what the dogs had or had not found!

When they did return to the UK after being made arguidos, this annoyed Amaral because he wanted them to stay so he could mess with their minds some more, Kate had already been threatened that she could have her remaining children taken from her, why the hell would she stay? I would have got out of there too. Let's face it, who in their right minds would want their children placed in care in Portugal, in a place like Casa Pia? she had also been bullied by Ricardo Paiva under instructions from Amaral, whereby they tried to get her to confess to something she did not do by offering her 2 years in prison if she confessed and her husband could even keep his job!

Also if the PJ wanted them to stay, why did they not object to them leaving? Why did they allow them to leave? What was the point of them staying in any case? So Amaral could try and upset them some more?


Miguel Taveres should have reminded Amaral that if he had waited another 8 days, then the law in Portugal would have changed and he would NOT have been able to make them arguidos because to do so, he would have needed to present evidence and Amaral did not have evidence, all that Amaral had was his lies and nothing more!

Also as arguidos if they were needed then they would have been legally bound to return to Portugal, so what is Amaral complaining about? Like Tavares said, what did it matter which country they were in any way? Amaral had made it dreadful for them wherever they were!

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Post by Cath on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:33 am

Thank you Pedro for translating that for us.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:32 pm

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Post by Catkins on Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:36 pm

Many thanks from other Posters on other Forums Pedro. Your hard work has been much appreciated..
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Post by Rosie on Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:47 pm

This morning we have received some emails from people from other forums who have specifically asked me to thank Pedro and Maria for their hard work and their honest and open translations. Trust and respect is not something that one can just obtain, it has to be earned and Maria and Pedro have earned the trust and respect not just from all the admin and members on this forum, but from members and admin of other forums too.

Thank you Pedro and Maria for all your had work, this forum would be infinitely poorer without you.

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Post by Pedro Silva on Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:05 am

Catkins my friend, thank you for your kind words. Rosiepops my friend, thank you for your kind words, please extend my deepest thanks to all those kind people of other forums, by their kind words, Iīm really touched by their kind words as Iīm really touched by the kind words and friendship about all J4 members. We are all united in our goal: to help find our sweet Madeleine McCann, to help bring her home safe and sound, where she really belongs, also, if in the middle of all this, we can do something positive to help all missing children / people to return to their homes, even better. Thank you again my friends, glad to help.

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Post by dianeh on Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:16 am

Pedro, my thanks again.

You and Maria are wonderful, and very much appreciated by all of us.

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Post by erngath on Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:57 pm

Pedro, many thanks from me also.
I read your translation here, and on the sky forum. x

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Post by Sabot on Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:17 am

At last I have found the right thread. My Email contact seems to have failed temporarily.

This translation has made me so happy. If you know what I mean.
Someone has finally wiped the floor with Amaral. God help him when Isabel Duarte gets her hands on him, for we have just seen what a decent Lawyer can do to him.

Amaral would be well advised to concede defeat and make an offer in The Libel Trial, although perversly, I half hope he doesn't.

Thank you so much, again, Pedro. And thanks to Maria as well. What would we have done without them?

Nearly three years of utter sh*te. It has been a long and painful time for a lot of us, not least The McCanns. Perhaps now, some more Portuguese people will come forward.

And more power for Leonor Cipriano aussi. Not every person in Portugal thinks she is guilty.

I am over the moon.

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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:57 am

Not only did they allow them to leave Rosie, there was no bail conditions or restrictions either although they had to let the authorities know if they changed address for more than 5 days.

I believe though they could have been recalled to Portugal with 5 days notice, but of course that never happened because a couple of weeks after returning to the UK, the Portuguese prosecutors said no new evidence had emerged to justify further questioning.



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Post by Sabot on Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:18 am

You can't question an Arguido because they have the right to silence.

Amaral jumped the gun because the law was changing. It would have been pointless to question Gerry or Kate after that.

Being an Arguido had no great legal status for Portuguese Justice because Gerry and Kate could have been extradited if there was evidence to implicate them.

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Post by Rosie on Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:05 am

(GA says, a normal job inside the perspective that abduction, shall we say, the theft of, the theft of a person in the case and that inspects the site as if it were a theft, the object who was there was removed, it was a lack of procedures that PJ is somehow rethink and has a lot to do with that, with the perspective approach to inspect the site in this case (Miguel says: didnīt you think that you must go there immediately?) itīs not to think, itīs like this, the coordinator or director doesnīt have to go there, the coordinator has to control and I controlled it (Miguel: perhaps it was better to go there, donīt you regret of not being there later?) No, I donīt regret, police professionals, are police professionals, they are experts, technicians, we being there and as a sign for a technician to gather fingerprints and with the job of taking photos (Miguel: for example, at certain time you...) it is something that should justified PJ to go there

On one hand Amaral is saying that he does not regret NOT attending the scene of a major crime to take control and oversee that the things that should be done by the technicians and other detectives involved and then Miguel pulls him and asks, well if he had gone to the scene he could have directed the photographer to take photographs of what the McCanns and friends were wearing that night. He said that the technicians were professionals and they know how to do their job, well they did not seem to know it that night because they failed to take important photographs, which would have been taken if Amaral had bothered to turn up. So he has in fact defeated his own argument!

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Post by Cath on Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:41 am

"He said that
the technicians were professionals and they know how to do their job,
well they did not seem to know it that night because they failed to take
important photographs, which would have been taken if Amaral had
bothered to turn up."

Actually I have my doubts about that, Rosie. GA isn't blessed with an eye for details, else he wouldn't have messed up like he did.
And those 'professionals' contaminated the scene of the crime and spilled loads of red powder, which didn't seem to please the forensics when they entered the apartment the next day.
And the idiots even seemed to have taken the dogs into that bedroom as the number of dog hairs that were found prove.

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Post by Sabot on Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:48 am

Nah, Sober, he's useless. Drunk, I dare not think about. He would probably have arrested them on the spot

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Post by Rosie on Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:49 am

Miguel Travares quizes Goncalo Amaral on Leonor Cipriano's conviction.



GA: no, I was listened always and as a witness... (Miguel says: let me ask you a question: you think that in this country (Portugal) many people believes that Leonor Cipriano killed her daughter? A very few people Mr. Amaral, very few people (GA says: You think?) very few people and we donīt believe: how can a woman without any instruction, without any proof, who was beaten hard by PJ (GA says: nothing has been proved, you are going to...) how can she managed, managed to be so clever, that she kills her daughter, hides the body and PJ couldnīt get a single trace? Miguel continues: where is the body? (GA says: the inspection which was carried 12 days after and then letīs see the circumstances in which he was, there is blood, washing of the apartment itself, a person who never washed the apartment, wash it at that time, there are a series of traces, if you want to talk about that case, letīs talk, I mean (Miguel says: no, some should exist for the court to condemned her, now there is also a revue of the sentence based on something) GA says: yes it was inferred the review of the sentence), Miguel says: it was inferred? I didnīt know that, look, I wish it had been, because that doesnīt convince me) GA says: why doesnīt it convince you?, Miguel says: because it doesnīt convince me, because I have a previous suspicion about defendants who reach court, after confessing to crimes made under beatings, which is obvious, I cannot accept that, therefore, I suspect). GA says: but, do you suspect of me? Miguel says: you signed the confession. GA says: Do you think so? In what time? Miguel says: itīs in the confession in the files, I donīt know or have assumed? What I know is: she was taken out of jail, during night, she was taken back to PJ facilities and they returned her beaten, it was during night, and besides, it was participated by the warden of the jail, right?).


GA says: at night? Took her at night. Yeah, it was, maybe it should be listened better, because you know... if we are going to talk about this case (Miguel says: but we are not going to talk about Joana Cipriano, letīs go back to Maddieīs case), GA says: Letīs talk, look, there is one thing essential, letīs focus here a very fast thing: I was accused in this process of omission of seeing and denounce and I ask: what does that lady do when she thought that she had someone there and she told that PJ doesnīt asked for forensics, didnīt inform the Public ministry, why does she asked to a worker, a person under her dependence, wait, let me finish this, why did she asked for a dependant medic by green tickets to make one medical exam attached to a psychiatric, this is interesting, because there are experts in Odemira, you doctor know where Odemira is and there are forensic experts there, it can be done there. It will not be a German psychiatrist in green tickets dependent of the lady warden that will make forensics

Miguel tells Amaral that actually very few people in Portugal believe Amaral over Leonor Cipriano, I think Amaral is taken aback at that remark., in actual fact I think Amaral is taken aback at the course the interview has taken, he certainly did not expect this.

Miguel asks Amaral how Leonor managed to be so clever that she killed her daughter, cut her up and disposed of her body without leaving a trace of her behind. Amaral tries to say that it was because the inspection did not happen until 12 days after Joana disappeared and that the place had been cleaned with bleach, Amaral bases this because he says that Leonor never washed her apartment. (How would he know this? Had he been there before?) However he still maintains there were traces of blood, which is not what the rumour mill of antis have it in Portugal, anyone would think there was a veritable blood bath there, to listen to them. However Amaral maintains there were traces of blood found, yet these traces were NEVER matched to Joana and they were never DNA matched either and they were discarded by the Portuguese forensic science lab too, so no further tests could be carried out.

Then Miguel tells Amaral that Leonor's confession does not convince him because she was taken from the Odemira prison at night to the PJ facilities and returned the next morning to the prison beaten up black and blue and that her confession was beaten out of her. He said it is obvious he cannot accept a confession gained under those circumstances and he has a deep mistrust of it.

Amaral is most annoyed about the Warden of the prison calling in an independent doctor to assess Leonor's injuries, as Amaral states the Odemira prison has a hospital and doctors that could have done this.
Yeah I bet he was angry about this he probably thought they could kick hell out of that small woman and that the doctor in Odemira prison would turn a blind eye to the injuries stated that they were gained when Leonor threw herself down the stairs, it really threw the cat among the pigeons when the warden of the prison did exactly what she should have done, and the only thing open to her and got an independent doctor to look over Leonor's injuries and give her expert opinion on how they were obtained. Once the Warden did this, Amaral knew he was in deep trouble, as he had no control over this independent doctor and expert witness.
I read that the warden was quite upset that photographs were not taken of Leonor's injuries immediately as they had subsided a little by the time the photographs were taken.

Leonor Cipriano's injuries (and these were taken when they had subsided a little!



I only hope that the hospital where Leandro Silva was treated after Amaral and his thugs had got at him, took pictures too! We'll see if the injuries were consistent with the above injuries of Leonor!

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Post by Rosie on Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:02 am

Cath wrote:"He said that
the technicians were professionals and they know how to do their job,
well they did not seem to know it that night because they failed to take
important photographs, which would have been taken if Amaral had
bothered to turn up."

Actually I have my doubts about that, Rosie. GA isn't blessed with an eye for details, else he wouldn't have messed up like he did.
And those 'professionals' contaminated the scene of the crime and spilled loads of red powder, which didn't seem to please the forensics when they entered the apartment the next day.
And the idiots even seemed to have taken the dogs into that bedroom as the number of dog hairs that were found prove.

You are probably right Cath, I was being kind and trying to give him the benefit of the doubt! But he still defeats his own argument as to why he is arguing that it was not necessary for him to be there, he gives a classic example of exactly why he should have been there - the idiot! He also argues he did not need to go because other coordinators do not attend crime scenes either! But then other coordinators do not have little children disappearing out of their beds in the night.
You know part of the PJ excuses were because they were inexperienced in this kind of thing, because it happens so rarely, if you believe that, then wouldn't this be even more of a reason to actually turn up at the scene and take control?
Technicians doing their jobs improperly clothed and only wearing one glove. Police walking all over the apartment NOT in SOC suits and flicking their fag ash about, no shut down of the Ocean, no movements stopped, no borders closed, it just goes on and on and on and Amaral defends his decision to stay drinking with his pals and eating shrimps, like it is every day that an innocent little girl disappears from her bed during the night!

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Post by Rosie on Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:01 am

Miguel could have also asked Goncalo Amaral, what his excuse was for NOT making the apartment a crime scene until THREE months later!

Perhaps he was eating his way through a huge consignment of shrimps and drinking his way through 300 bottles of his favourite wine, allegedly local rumour has it that he drinks his way through 25 bottles of wine per week!

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Post by Pedro Silva on Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:19 am

The Algarve is full of airfields which are used to rent gliding with engines, also where the brevets are taken, I know this, because, since child, I spent all summers in Algarve, around Faro, Portimão, Albufeira, so, every day, every hour I saw these kind of flying gliding through the Algarve skies, from these airfields, also planes with advertisements attached at the back of this planes, flying every day (in summer) through the skies on the beaches where tourists can see them. I know this because I have photos of me in those airfields, when I was a child. My point is: if no borders were closed, no marinas checked, so, how can these airfields being checked? They werenīt. And this obvious when Miguel mentioned about marinas.

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Post by Cath on Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:34 am

They've made so many mistakes. The most important ones however were made in those first hours, when a massive and coordinated effort might have made it possible to find Madeleine quickly.
In stead they've sent 10 police officers to 'search' for her and to take (well sort of) statements. And Mr Coordinator just kept on eating, drinking, talking and went home to have a good nights sleep...
And he doesn't even feel guilty about that. Moron.

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Post by May on Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:41 am

Pedro you are spot on, nothing was checked. Obviously Amaral treated this as he treated his previous cases, with utter disdain. He was lazy from day one. Unfortunately (for him), the McCanns would not roll over and and go away, they stood up to him and fought back. Not being Portuguese citizens and with the eyes of the world on him, he was unable to exert his usual "pressure".

Rosie if it is true that he drinks 25 bottles of wine a week he is incapable of doing any job! I am surprised he is still in the land of the living.
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