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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Robert Argiz on Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:53 am

Who knows what it will take for most people to believe that paedophilia in Portugal [and in Spain too] is a very "serious" business almost to the point of being part of the local folklore. In case you didn't know it, Portugal and Spain are the countries in Europe with the highest child pornography consumption surpassed only by the United States which is number one. Corruption and perversion in Portugal is linked to the entire officaldom controlled by an elite made up of hard-core perverts. See some related writings at: http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.com

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Post by Robert Argiz on Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:03 am

Portugal: A tradition of paedophilia, hard core perversion, criminality and corruption, at the highest level of government and society.

When Pina "Pia" Manique founded Casa Pia in 1780 after the great earthquake of 1755 in Portugal, she did not foresee that her humanitarian social endeavour would become a symbol of national perversion and paedophilia in contemporary Portuguese society. For more than three centuries thousands of young boys and girls grew up at Casa Pia and became to be known as "casapianos." Casa Pia is the largest educational institution in Portugal dedicated to help youngsters in risk of social exclusion, or without parental support. The institution is made up of ten schools with an enrolment of approximately 4700 young students. In addition to standard schooling, Casa Pia also provides boarding for children in need and it strives to enable them to become healthy and successful members of society by developing their intellectual, manual abilities, and physical traits in a positive environment promoting spiritual, moral, and religious values. Casa Pia is proud to have had amongst its student's famous personalities, writers, artists, journalists, outstanding government officials, and others.

The paedophilia scandal

Although reports of sexual abuse against children in Portugal go back to before 1970 while the Estado Novo (New State) authoritarian regime was still in power, it was around that time period the paedophile activity in Portuguese society started to be known more than before. The paedophilia scandal at Casa Pia had a major effect in helping to raise public awareness on the general sexual abuse of children. The number of violent rape and other sexual abuses against children soared after the scandal was revealed and made public. Different reports following journalist investigations, showed evidence pointing directly at wealthy and influential high society paedophile members, who targeted children at Casa Pia under the care and responsibility by officials. The paedophile activities lasted for at least 30 years and were covered up by successive governments loyal to the corrupt rich and powerful. Since the scandal erupted, the Ministry of Labour and Social Security confirmed that hundreds of innocent children from Casa Pia were sexually abused at private homes, where they had been taken with the complicity by employees responsible for the security and care of the children. Many children victims of the perversion were either deaf or mute. Once the scandal was made public, Teresa Costa Macedo, a former Secretary of State revealed that she knew about the sexual abuse of children throughout the 1970s and 1980s, by very wealthy and influential people in Portuguese society.

According to her own statements, she told Antonio Ramalho Eanes, President of Portugal from 1976-1986, about the criminal activity but he refused to act despite the overwhelming evidence. After the arrest of Carlos Silvino ("Bibi") for his participation in the criminal activity while he was a caretaker at Casa Pia, Mrs. Macedo said that "he was only an instrument element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in the judiciary, the police, well known politicians, and a host of government members at different levels. It wasn't just him. He was a procurer of children for well known people in our country," she said. "Bibi" was jailed on charges of raping 600 children. Mrs. Macedo also said that she handed police "many photographs depicting the many methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage, plus testimonies of children who identified the individuals who had assaulted them sexually on several occasions." Meanwhile, press reports informed that many explicit and highly disturbing photographs were found at a former ambassador's house, Jorge Ritto. In addition, when police investigators went to Ritto's house they found frighten children locked up in a room who had been missing for several months from Casa Pia.

The case of Joanna Cipriano

Joanna Cipriano was (or still is) a native Portuguese girl who was eight years of age at the time of her abduction and disappearance in the Village of Figueira, Portugal on September 12, 2004. The village of Figueira is only seven miles away from Praia da Luz which is where Madeleine Mc Cann was abducted and disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007. In both cases, the parents launched large media campaigns in an effort to find their daughters and in the two cases, the police did not find the missing girls but accused the mothers of killing their daughters without having any evidence to sustain the accusations. In both cases the parents were declared "arguidos" (suspects). After a supposed investigation conducted by the Portuguese Judiciary Police (Policia Judiciaria) Joanna was assumed to have been murdered by her mother although there was no evidence to support the bogus claim, nor her body was ever found. The accusation of the Portuguese police ended with the arrest and conviction for murder of Leonor and Joao Cipriano. The Portuguese police and the prosecutor claimed that Joanna was murder because she saw her mother and Joao in bed having sex. Joao and Leonor Cipriano have declared categorically that they did not murder Joanna, are not responsible for her mysterious disappearance, but believe she was abducted on orders by an international paedophile organisation and taken out of the country to an unknown destination. This same theory has been applied on the case of Madeleine Mc Cann to explain her abduction and mysterious disappearance.

Mark Williams Thomas, a British child protection specialist, believes that Joanna Cipriano and Madeleine Mc Cann cases are related, and said that the disappearance of two children unknown to each other within a period of three years in a seven mile radius, would be a huge coincidence, especially considering that Portugal is a small country with very few abductions. Mr. Thomas may be absolutely correct about his assessment of the two cases.

Leonor Cipriano forcibly admitted killing her daughter but only after 72 hours of continuous interrogations, severe beatings, and different types of physical torture that included forcing her to kneel on broken glass until she bled, and being thrown down a stair way by police officers. She admitted the accusations just to avoid more brutal torture and interrogations. Since these extra judicial acts occurred, Goncalo Amaral, Paolo Cristovao and four other Portuguese police officers, have been charged with criminal offences as a result of their illegal conduct against defendant Leonor Cipriano.

Despite the well known background of Goncalo Amaral in relation to the Cipriano case, he was assigned to the Madeleine Mc Cann abduction investigation. Why was he really assigned to the case? Like in Joanna's case of which Amaral was in charge, police officers under his direction failed to seal off the area where Madeleine was, in addition to many other blunders that made possible her abduction a successful criminal plan. And just like in the Cipriano case, the police personnel under his leadership did not focus on finding the missing girl but instead, on accusing her mother and abruptly declaring her "arguido." Can all of these facts be coincidental? Decide for yourself by using common sense...

Conclusion

Paedophilia is a social phenomenon well entrenched and widely spread in Portugal and by extension in Spain too, consequently with their idiosyncratic and "cultural" similarities. It is the sick manifestation of individuals whose psychical and spiritual condition deep-rooted innately in thorough immorality and perversion became constitutive of a personal burden seeking selfish relief through the abominable and cowardly act, of abusing sexually a vulnerable innocent child. Those who thoroughly know and understand the Spanish "culture," will inevitably connect it to the Portuguese in matters of this nature because of the great similarities between them, including that which relates to past highly authoritarian and oppressive regimes, whose ideological base was linked to religious Puritanism and forms of government identified with neo-fascist traits, rather than truly democratic.

Francisco Franco of Spain and Antonio de Oliveira Salazar of Portugal are two good examples of ruthless regimes of that type. These authoritarian, backward and unpopular rulers dictated with an iron fist for decades, contributing thereby to the creation of "cultures" that subverted natural good principles and values, and replaced them with warped and sick mentalities capable of perpetrating the worst heinous crimes, such as raping and murdering an innocent child. It is not an exaggeration to state that paedophiles are a product of fascism.

It is under this sordid, evil, satanic, disgusting and very sick social background reality in Portugal, that different abductions and disappearance of children --including Madeleine Mc Cann-- connected with paedophile organisations known to the Portuguese officialdom, took place there as part of a long and entrench tradition of perversion and criminality which those who benefit from it don't want to see ending. On the basis of the facts connected with the reckless and intended Portuguese police performance on the case, the author believes that it is them who have the many unanswered questions regarding the well-planned abduction of Madeleine Mc Cann on the night of May 3, 2006 in Praia da Luz. The Portuguese police should be investigated thoroughly by the European Court of Human Rights.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by rosemary on Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:09 am

And exactly how does one go about pressurising the EU Court of Human Rights to investigate the PJ? Where does one begin? Considering all the political ramifications within the UK and cover up at the highest level within the EU countries apart from the UK. I feel defeated before I even ask the question. I want to help but how?

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by rosemary on Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:11 am

If the voice of the people is loud enough and clear enough it could happen. Every Forum for the protection of children, every organisation concerned with children within Europe, must have asked themselves this question. HOW?

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Robert Argiz on Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:08 am

Rosemary:

You have hit the nail right on its head!!! It is exactly the type of question the OOJC wants to hear from common people. Your question has a simply answer: REAL UNITY AMOUNG ALL OF US COMMON PEOPLE. This is where you start. The rest is just a matter of writing whatever number of pages needed to create the document to be filed at the register office of the court in Brussels. The complaint will be filed on behalf of MILLIONS through a community organisation and/or group. As for the format of the complaint, we have published one at http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.com which you can see any time you want.

PS: Next I will be uploading a copy of our complaint for all of you to see.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Sabot on Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:35 am

I really don't want to believe that Amaral is involved in the abduction of Madeleine, but the more I see, the more I am forced to consider the possibility. Things just don't add up about that man.

Does anyone think it is possible that Amaral bribed Jaoa with the promise of drugs in prison, after he had threatened to fit him up of course. And then promised Jaoa an easy life when his sentence is over.

The only thing wrong with this idea is that Amaral does not seem to have been in possesion of large sums of money prior to the disappearance of Madeleine, although heaven knows how much Amaral was spending on his drink fueled life style.

And then of course, there is always the question of how Amaral raised the money for what would have been a rather large deposit on that very expensive house he bought. Plus the original Jaguar.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Robert Argiz on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:02 am

I don't want to use words that might cause someone to feel offended even when not intended, but I will use "naive" to express the feeling I get by reading some of the comments. What does it take for some people to finally believe that we are dealing with a hard-core, amoral and ruthless criminal? It should be clear by now that the abduction of Madeleine McCann has become a very lucrative business for Amaral and others. Have no doubts about that and stop wondering. I am also wondering by now if those of you who read my comments might be asking why do I express myself about Portugal and/or Spain the way I do? I am Spanish and also know Portugal like the palm of my hand. I am both as a matter of fact. I know intricate things about Portugal and Spain that you as an Anglo [if you are that is] do not know. When I say that Amaral is a hard-core criminal I have reasons for saying so... I know the Portuguese and Spanish minds. Believe me.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Cath on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:15 am

Hello and welcome Robert.
I'm horrible when it comes to remembering names, but after this post, I suddenly realized who you are.

Yes, itīs clear the disappearance of Madeleine has been, still is, a lucrative business. I do hope at least Amaral will be stopped by the end of this month.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Robert Argiz on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:20 am

Complaint

European Court of Human Rights
Council of Europe
Strasbourg, France

Jurisdiction

This Court has jurisdiction to act upon this matter pursuant to Article 34 and 13 of the European Convention on Human Rights and Rules of the Court 45 and 47.

I. The Parties

A. The Applicant

  1. Full name:
  2. Sex:
  3. Nationality:
  4. Date and country of birth:
  5. Current address:
  6. Electronic mail address:
  7. Occupation or profession:
  8. Name of your representative: (if you have one)
  9. Current address of your representative: (if applicable)
  10. Telephone number of your representative: (if applicable)
  11. Fax number of your representative: (if applicable)

    B. The Contracting Party
  12. The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) and Government of Portugal.
II. Statement of Facts


14. On or about September 12, 2004 Joanna Cipriano, a native Portuguese girl disappeared mysteriously in the Portuguese town of Figueira. As a result, Leonor and Joao Cipriano, both native Portuguese, were abruptly arrested, accused of murder, convicted, and sentenced to a long prison term. The body of the supposed murdered victim was never found. Every since their imprisonment, both defendants have denied the murder accusation and maintained conclusively, that their confession was forcibly obtained by extra judicial methods consisting of cruel and savage torture inflicted on them by members of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) of Portugal, under the leadership of police officials Goncalo Amaral, Paolo Cristovao and other accomplices who now must face a criminal trial for their actions.


Joao Cipriano, one of the defendants in the case, have stated additionally that Joanna was abducted to be "sold" into a paedophile network with connections in Portugal, a country internationally identified as a true paradise for pederast and paedophiles, where they reign with impunity and enjoy the protection of government institutions such as the PJ. Meanwhile, the other defendant in the case, Leonor Cipriano, denounced publicly the vicious beatings and different forms of torture she was a victim of, by PJ personnel during interrogations without the presence of an Attorney or knowledge by the public prosecutor. To show proof of her information and statements, she referred to a photograph published in a newspaper wherein she appears with a very heavily-bruised face almost unrecognisable as a result of the brutal beatings by PJ members during the interrogations.

The only ground in the case the PJ used to form the basis upon which the defendants were accused of murdering Joanna, was an allegation that she saw Joao and Leonor having sex and that to keep it secret and preventing her from divulging it, they killed her. During trail, the defence argued strenuously that the PJ accusation was false, that they did not conducted a thorough investigation of the case, and that the hasty, abrupt manner, and methods by which they proceeded to charge the defendants, appeared to be part of an outside interest unrelated to the nature of the case.
Two

On the night of May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal, British national Madeleine Beth Mc Cann, then age three, was abducted by someone while she was sleeping in a room of an apartment located at the Mark Warner Ocean Club Resort in that town.

In this case, the PJ officers directed by Goncalo Amaral (again) acted similarly as they did in the previous case, that is, by hastily accusing the parents of being responsible for the death of the child, without having any valid evidence to sustain the accusation. There was no formal arrest or trial on the case, but there was an interrogation session and the lodging of a suspect status under Portuguese law against both parents. In addition, the mother of the abducted child was offered a two year prison term "deal" during the interrogation if she falsely admitted killing her daughter. The defendant refused the ridiculous and outrageous "deal" offered by the PJ.

In this case like in others, PJ officials insistently rejected the version that Madeleine McCann was abducted and instead kept accusing her parents of killing the child without any concrete evidence. Like in previous cases, private detectives working to find the child also stated that Madeleine was abducted to be "sold" to rich paedophiles who "buy" children on orders to become their personal property and sex slaves. The facts in this case related to the modus operandi by the PJ during times when a real investigation and search for the abducted child should have been conducted, are overwhelming and point out to official complicity.

However, the many details that make up the evidence are technically argumentative and do not belong in this section now, therefor, they will not be included but it may suffice to state that just like in the previous case, the PJ did not really investigated the crime; instead they kept focusing insistently on accusing the parents without any evidence and for unexplained reasons, while invoking a law that provides secrecy during proceedings as the base supporting their refusal to explain their actions.
Three
Before the Joanna Cipriano case in Figueira wherein the PJ accused her family without any real evidence of killing her, three year old Portuguese native Carolina Santos also vanished mysteriously as well, after she was last seen walking away in the company of a man unknown to all neighbours. In that case, the PJ -again- accused the parents of being responsible for her disappearance or unproved death without having any objective evidence. The case did not received much publicity, and the PJ does not even keep any information on the case in their missing persons section at their web site, making it almost impossible to obtain precise information or details on the case. And just like in previous cases, family members of Carolina Santos have said repeatedly that she was abducted by one or more henchman working for rich paedophiles linked to members of the Portuguese officialdom, and taken out of the country to be "sold."

The case of Carolina Santos and the others provide an insight by showing a pattern the PJ has utilised in every child abduction in Portugal, by using the method of not investigating the crime, but instead accusing parents of either killing the abducted child or being part of the disappearance while in the absence of any concrete evidence to support the accusations.

There are other child abduction cases in Portugal with similar characteristics too numerous to mention here and to comply with Rule 47 (d) of the Court requiring statements in this section to be succinct.

III. Statement(s) on the Violation(s) of the Convention and/or Protocols and Relevant Arguments
15. According to Article 1 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, every contracting State member has the obligation to secure and respect all human rights, including the right of children in their jurisdiction, not to be kidnapped with the direct or indirect aid of any official institution or entity. Article 1-- Obligation to respect human rights read as follows:

"The Contracting Parties shall secure to everyone within their jurisdiction the rights and freedoms defined in Section 1 of this Convention"

The corroborative facts outlined in the Statement of Facts section expose an scandalous social reality and corruption in the entire judicial system of Portugal, that allows a traditional heinous criminal activity in that country connected with sexual perversion against children, at the highest social levels of Portuguese society and government. It is a gross violation of the obligation to protect and secure the human right of any children, not to be kidnapped for perverted purposes, within the jurisdiction of the State of Portugal as a Contracting Party according to the Convention's definition. Convention Rule 53 --Safeguard for existing human rights by a Contracting State.

The criminal tradition of paedophilia in Portugal was dramatically exposed recently by the facts surrounding the scandal known as Casa Pia, wherein hundreds of children officially entrusted to the staff, where brutally abused sexually by rape and other depraved acts during a period no less than thirty five years. The subsequent investigations of the evil and horrendous ordeal that destroyed the life of many youngsters, revealed the direct participation of prominent Portuguese elite society members, who acted with impunity under the auspices and protection of the judiciary system -including the PJ- to carry on their perverted criminal activity that is deeply entrenched in the upper class and officialdom of Portugal. It is within this evilly sordid social environment kept subtly yet publicly and widely known but forbidden to criticise or condemn, that well-planned and organised abductions of children for perverse reasons on behalf of very rich and powerful people, are carried out with the knowledge, direct or indirect participation of individuals connected with Portuguese government institutions. These statements are supported by the above-mentioned facts, and the suspicious performance of the PJ in the recent case related to British citizen Madeleine Mc Cann to be explained in detail at an appropriate future opportunity. The allowable existence of the criminal activity described above is a gross violation of Portugal as a Contracting State, requiring an in-depth and thoroughly exhaustible independent inquiring in order to know the truth behind the abduction of children and their whereabouts, whether they are still alive or dead. The complainant very strongly believes on the basis of the reasons stated above, that the true answers to the many unanswered questions regarding the abduction and disappearance of children in Portugal, can be found within the official structure of its own government and those who work or act on its behalf.

The statements in this section of the Complaint are sufficient to convey the intended message to request the attention of this Court, to an extremely grave reality needing an immediate correction in the Contracting State of Portugal. The life of abducted children and of their families are being destroyed by this extremely evil and criminal activity that must end. Paedophilia in Portugal (and in Spain too) is a "tradition" deeply entrenched in the psyche, that has thrived unchecked for many generations thanks to official condoning, aiding, protection and support, on behalf of a perverted, rich and powerful elite class. The mere existence of this aberrant behaviour in any Contracting State is a violation of fundamental human rights.

IV. Statements Relative to Article 35 of the Convention

16. This Complaint is not presented by an anonymous.

17. This Complaint has never been examined by this Court, and it has not been submitted to another procedure of international investigation or settlement.

18. This Complaint is not incompatible with the provisions of the Convention for the protection of human rights in any Contracting State. This Complaint is not ill-founded nor an abuse of the right to request relief to this Court. All statements made herein can be verified and corroborated.

V. Statement(s) on the Purpose of this Complaint

19. The main reason for presenting this Complaint is to request this Court to order a thorough independent investigation of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) of Portugal, on the true reasons for its suspicious and/or ambiguous performance related to the abduction cases mentioned in the Statement of Facts section of this document. Particular attention is requested on the cases related to Joanna Cipriano and Madeleine Mc Cann in view of their characteristics and great similarities.

The other reason is to request the Court to consider the contents and information available at the Internet address http://the-elite-and-child-abduction.blogspot.com as part of the documentation pertaining to this Complaint. The reason for this request is that the contents in that Internet address, feature information and names of individuals who should be of interest and concern in the requested investigation process.

VI. Statement(s) concerning other International Proceedings

20. This Complaint has not been submitted to any international proceeding or investigation anywhere nor is there a resolution or judgement pending at any agency or tribunal with respect to the nature of its contents.

VII. List of Exhibits Attached

21. (a) None

(b) None

(c) None

VIII. Declaration and Signature

I, John Doe, et al, hereby declare with full consciousness and loyalty that the contents and/or information included in this Complaint are true and correct to the best of our knowledge and belief, so help us God.



Signed this _____day of __________________at London.




Signature: ___________________



Signature: ___________________

Annex

Request to Proceed in Anonymity

The complainant hereby request pursuant to Rules of the Court 33(2) and 47(3) to allow him anonymity during the whole process of this case.

The plaintiff believes that presenting a Complaint of this nature to this Court against the Portuguese establishment, can be in itself dangerous because it seeks to challenge the criminal tradition of a very powerful structure, that is determined to maintain the current social status quo related to paedophilia as a tradition.

The criminal organised activity related to the abduction of children and trafficking for perverted purposes, is a very lucrative business dominated and controlled by powerful elite class members, who would do anything to protect their interest, including killing anyone challenging them. The complainant also request the Court not to make available to the public all documentation related to this case. In particular, the complainant request to keep in total secret his home address to be known only to the Court.

Respectfully Submitted,


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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Sabot on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:21 am

Robert Argiz wrote:I don't want to use words that might cause someone to feel offended even when not intended, but I will use "naive" to express the feeling I get by reading some of the comments. What does it take for some people to finally believe that we are dealing with a hard-core, amoral and ruthless criminal? It should be clear by now that the abduction of Madeleine McCann has become a very lucrative business for Amaral and others. Have no doubts about that and stop wondering. I am also wondering by now if those of you who read my comments might be asking why do I express myself about Portugal and/or Spain the way I do? I am Spanish and also know Portugal like the palm of my hand. I am both as a matter of fact. I know intricate things about Portugal and Spain that you as an Anglo [if you are that is] do not know. When I say that Amaral is a hard-core criminal I have reasons for saying so... I know the Portuguese and Spanish minds. Believe me.

I am not at all offended by your remarks. Yes, I am English, but I live in France.

I just don't want to go willy nilly down the road of the haters who have so abused The McCanns. In other words, I need some positive proof. But I am more than willing to consider what you say.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Pedro Silva on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:29 am

Well, one thing I agree: that for GA, the abduction of sweet Madeleine McCann, has disgustingly become very lucrative for him, which can be proved by the lies, smears, illicit profit from the disgusting books he sold. All these rotten things that has come to surface about GA proves it. He is the one who has everything to lose, when sweet Madeleine returns to her parents.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by jean on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:34 am

whatever it takes to do it, let's try for the sake of madeleine and all those that have gone before her. yesterday i wrote another email to the home secretary's office in reply to their reply to me. please see below ....

their reply to my email .....

Reference: T20021/9
12 November, 2009

Dear Ms
Thank you for your e-mail of 10/11/2009 addressed to the Home Secretary
regarding the inquiry into the unfortunate disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Your email has been passed to me for a response.
As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation. UK police have no jurisdiction in Portugal.
The British police involvement in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, led by Leicestershire Constabulary, continues. The Police have put considerable effort into the investigation and any new lines of enquiry will be investigated and communicated to the Portuguese authorities.
Information received in the UK that can be investigated in the UK is investigated by the Leicestershire Major Crime Team and evidence forwarded to the Portuguese in accordance with normal international protocols. Any information received in the UK that needs to be investigated abroad is forwarded to the Portuguese so that they can assess the information and either conduct inquiries in Portugal or direct other international inquiries through Interpol. Any requests for further investigation in the UK by the Portuguese will be expedited and evidence provided to them in accordance with normal international protocols.
As part of the ongoing efforts in this case, the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre launched an internet initiative in early November targeting those that might have any knowledge of Madeline’s disappearance or current whereabouts. Anyone with such information is encouraged to report this to their own local police who will liaise with the investigation teams as necessary. There is no question of Mr and Mrs McCann having to deal unaided with any responses to the new appeal.
We continue to do all we can to take forward the investigation and hope that Madeleine will be found safe and well.

Yours sincerely,

S John

and my reply sent yesterday .....


dear mr/ms john

i thank you for your reply to my email of 10 november 2009, but this does not
answer my questions regarding scotland yard's special unit taking madeleine's
case over. as i see it, at the present time there seems no point in the
leicestershire police sending any information received to the pj because they
have categorically stated that the case is closed. my question to you therefore
is, what on earth is the point in giving them further information if this is the
case. as for your comment regarding the british police having no jurisdiction
in portugal, i am afraid to say that i think this is one way of 'passing the
buck'. madeleine is a british citizen, she is entitled to better than you are
giving at the moment. she was abducted within the european union, britain and
portugal are both members of the european union, surely this gives our police
entitlement to cross boarders and make enquiries of their own. or is there a
cover up of some sort in regard to the mishandling of the case by the pj????

i await your reply with interest.

i am also in contact with my mp - george osborne - who seems very sympathetic towards the mccanns. i am intending to send him a copy of the incidence of casa pia and our theories and i am hoping if he is unaware of this, his eyes will be opened. and he may have some sort of influence.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by rosemary on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:35 am

Robert THE COMPLAINT
That is an impressive piece of work and I have a couple of questions.

1.How can we be sure that Interpol is not already investigating the PJ?
2. Was your COMPLAINT drawn up by professional Lawyers/Attorneys and if so can we know who they are?

I have just watched Barroso on a youtube video. Fine looking man, born 1952, very impressive legal background, charming speaker,
married, 3 grown sons......who would have thought for one moment.....!

But there you are.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by rosemary on Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:41 am

jean wrote:whatever it takes to do it, let's try for the sake of madeleine and all those that have gone before her. yesterday i wrote another email to the home secretary's office in reply to their reply to me. please see below ....

their reply to my email .....

Reference: T20021/9
12 November, 2009

Dear Ms
Thank you for your e-mail of 10/11/2009 addressed to the Home Secretary
regarding the inquiry into the unfortunate disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Your email has been passed to me for a response.
As Madeleine went missing in Portugal, the investigation is being led by the Portuguese authorities, who retain primacy in the investigation. UK police have no jurisdiction in Portugal.
The British police involvement in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, led by Leicestershire Constabulary, continues. The Police have put considerable effort into the investigation and any new lines of enquiry will be investigated and communicated to the Portuguese authorities.
Information received in the UK that can be investigated in the UK is investigated by the Leicestershire Major Crime Team and evidence forwarded to the Portuguese in accordance with normal international protocols. Any information received in the UK that needs to be investigated abroad is forwarded to the Portuguese so that they can assess the information and either conduct inquiries in Portugal or direct other international inquiries through Interpol. Any requests for further investigation in the UK by the Portuguese will be expedited and evidence provided to them in accordance with normal international protocols.
As part of the ongoing efforts in this case, the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre launched an internet initiative in early November targeting those that might have any knowledge of Madeline’s disappearance or current whereabouts. Anyone with such information is encouraged to report this to their own local police who will liaise with the investigation teams as necessary. There is no question of Mr and Mrs McCann having to deal unaided with any responses to the new appeal.
We continue to do all we can to take forward the investigation and hope that Madeleine will be found safe and well.

Yours sincerely,

S John

and my reply sent yesterday .....


dear mr/ms john

i thank you for your reply to my email of 10 november 2009, but this does not
answer my questions regarding scotland yard's special unit taking madeleine's
case over. as i see it, at the present time there seems no point in the
leicestershire police sending any information received to the pj because they
have categorically stated that the case is closed. my question to you therefore
is, what on earth is the point in giving them further information if this is the
case. as for your comment regarding the british police having no jurisdiction
in portugal, i am afraid to say that i think this is one way of 'passing the
buck'. madeleine is a british citizen, she is entitled to better than you are
giving at the moment. she was abducted within the european union, britain and
portugal are both members of the european union, surely this gives our police
entitlement to cross boarders and make enquiries of their own. or is there a
cover up of some sort in regard to the mishandling of the case by the pj????

i await your reply with interest.

i am also in contact with my mp - george osborne - who seems very sympathetic towards the mccanns. i am intending to send him a copy of the incidence of casa pia and our theories and i am hoping if he is unaware of this, his eyes will be opened. and he may have some sort of influence.


Well done Jean Your reply was good. It is ridiculous to be told that every new item of information is being fathfully passed on to the PJ!!! They have entirely missed the point of your letter. I am inclined to want to go down Robertīs road. A massive support pressure group asking Interpol to investigate Portugalīs corrupt Police Force is the best way to start I think. No good banging on Barrosoīs door though!!

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Robert Argiz on Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:18 am

Rosemary:

The document was written by yours truly. It was never filed at the court; it is merely a sample of what the complaint could look and read like.

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Post by vee8 on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:17 am

Robert Argiz wrote:Rosemary:

The document was written by yours truly. It was never filed at the court; it is merely a sample of what the complaint could look and read like.

Robert Argiz

OK, I'm up for helping in this campaign. What do we do next? Do we copy out what you have written and just put our own names in the blank spaces, or should we re-write it in our own words? also where do we send this complaint? Is there an address? As for PJ, and in particular, goncalo amaral's involvment in all this I already believe he is in it up to his neck. He is, as we say here in Britain, as 'Bent as a nine pound note!'
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Post by rosemary on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am

Vee I have the feeling that some are uneasy about following Robertīs path even tho there is an appetite amongst some of us to do something along the lines of a popular pressure group to persuade the EU Supreme Court to issue an investigation. I have been thinking that the time may be right to make a start after the Goncalo trial, to see if there is any fallout from that first. I posted just now on PF about this. Love your enthusiasm!

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Post by Pedro Silva on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:40 pm

The hell with the international protocols, these protocols are nothing compared with safe return of this child, of any child in this situation, in any situation. Enough of bureaucracy, enough of delays. From the moment PJ closed the enquiry, all information should only given to the PIīs who are working very hard for the couple.

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Post by rosemary on Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:54 pm

I have emailed Robert just now with a number of concerns that people have about his proposal. Barroso is a very powerful figure and many of us are concerned that there is no proof therefore his name should not be included. Also the name David Icke does not inspire much confidence, neither do the words "Satanic" rest easily on some shoulders. All of this I have put in my email to Robert. However I personally admire his sincerity and his motives. Letīs wait til the Goncalo case concludes and reevaluate things then? But I am totally in favour of a massive pressure group calling on the Spreme Court to investigate Portugal. As I think I have posted it might be better coming from a concerted group of Child Care Agencies, but that is just an idea at this stage.

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Post by Sabot on Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:15 pm

Pedro Silva wrote:The hell with the international protocols, these protocols are nothing compared with safe return of this child, of any child in this situation, in any situation. Enough of bureaucracy, enough of delays. From the moment PJ closed the enquiry, all information should only given to the PIīs who are working very hard for the couple.

I agree with that. Pass information to the PIs.

Do we have a contact?

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by Pedro Silva on Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:10 am

Sabot my friend the contacts are at the official website www.findmadeleine.com
Where it says: contact us, you can find all information you need, so, my friend, please go to the official website, there, you will find everything you need.

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Post by Robert Argiz on Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:16 am

Pedro Silva:

The theory about Jose Manuel Barroso being a paedophile, having ordered the kidnaping of Madeleine McCann, and her being held on his orders, is not mine. You have certainly misunderstood the information. If you would read the contents carefuly you will not find a single word affirming that I am the original creator of the theory. What I wrote is merely an edited piece based on the original that affirms the theory. I would NEVER make an oral or written statement accusing anyone of kidnapping -- particularly someone like Jose Manuel Barroso considering his status not only in Portugal but in Europe as a whole. I couldn't even begin to imagine the type of mess I would find myself in if he decided to use his power against me for falsely accusing him of a crime this size. What I can assure you, however, is that Christopher Story did accused him of ordering the abduction of Madeleine McCann after seeing her pictures. I ask that you read the contents again and after you truly understand what you read, publish a statement on this forum for everyone to read it.

As for him defending perverts and being one himself, do some research and you will run into several websites and/or blogs that will enlighten you. In fact, there is a section of this forum where participants have written about his involvement in assisting and defending peadophiles.

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Post by Robert Argiz on Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:47 am

Pedro:

If you don't agree with Christopher Story and his theory you should tell him directly. What I will reaffirm as many times as necessary is that I believe he told the truth.

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Post by Robert Argiz on Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:43 am

Rosemary:

I have already replied to your mail regarding the complaint against the Portuguese police. If you can publish my reply on this forum for everyone to read it I think that would be better. Thanks for your interest.

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Re: EU Court of Human Rights

Post by rosemary on Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:33 am

Hi Robert I have received that email. For the benefit of others Robert is making it clear that his proposed Campaign document does not mention ANY names or uses the word "Satanic". This was a concern of some.

Robert I would like to clarify a few things. I have a suspicion that this document you propose needs a massive amount of publicity in order to gain sufficient signatories for its purpose. More like a Media driven Campaign. I earliier made the suggestion that we approach existing organisations such as CEOPS to spearhead such a campaign. Even then I am not sure they would take it up until they had been "overwhelmed" as it were by the demand from the general public.

One other thing would be helpful I feel. Can you summarise for those of us still unclear as to the exact method you are proposing. i.e. what does this Complaint actually do, or hope to achieve? Is it asking the EU Courts of Human Rights to investigate Portugal independently on the matter of corruption within its society and Police Force re unsolved child abductions and Casa Pia?

What are your and others thoughts on this?
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