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Post by Sabot on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:37 pm

All I want to know is why he didn't make any attempt to pay his debts from the proceeds of his book. In fact he appears to have deliberately avoided doing so.

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Post by maria on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:03 pm

But do you still believe he has a tiny little drop of decency?
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Post by Catkins on Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:54 am

Sabot wrote:All I want to know is why he didn't make any attempt to pay his debts from the proceeds of his book. In fact he appears to have deliberately avoided doing so.
I thought that too...............Also why does Morass keep defending him ?.....Surely she can't be that stupid. If she has an ulterior motive what do we think it is ?..........
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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:00 am

Sabot my friend, about Amaral┤s debts, good question, why indeed. Bluj my friend, thanks again for your kind words. Yes my friend Dianeh, seems that the tide is changing.

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Post by christabel on Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:11 am

Gonc would probably rob his own granny, and think nothing of it

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Post by bluj1515 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:50 am

Maria and Pedro, your translation and information on the 24Horas article has Morais scrambling to try and cover it up.

Joana Morais said... 114 24horas were the ones who spoke about Amaral's second-hand jaguar firstly, in an article written by Nuno Miguel "Duarte Levy". Now they copied and published the Expresso article.

Both articles are ridiculous, at a time were we are all facing a serious global financial recession, who, of those who are home owners don't own something to the bank? It is said by Economists that here in Portugal, the majority of middle class families are in debt at 80% in loans, taxes...at the beginning of the month! Which means that some families have to make choices to pay the bank loans, state taxes or put food on the table.

During the 90's and early years of the XXI century the banks were all promising low spread taxes with big money loans; the publicity was every day in our eyes, in the radio, on tv, on street mopies; various families who didn't have possessions to counter the bank loans, were given credits to buy properties, homes specifically. Suddenly, with the US crash,the taxes became excessive, some spreads were up by 200%.

So, by reading Mr. Amaral's family issues with the IRS and the bank, makes his family, just another family like so many more families here in Portugal who are facing financial difficulties.
Lusa news agency just published that the unemployment rate is at 9,8% http://noticias.sapo.pt/lusa/artigo/10357714.html
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Post by bluj1515 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:54 am

More from Morais

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Location: Lisbon, Pt. Exactly Montclair, unfortunately the number of families in this situation is growing, last year there was a full coverage piece in Jornal de NotÝcias about 'Os Novos Pobres' - 'The New poor people', it said that about 4 million Portuguese were living in that condition or close, even though they all had jobs, and that they only hope for surviving was either the charity of others [some don't accept this help for pride and shame] and/or the state support - which as we know is extremely low.

So, yes, there are people starving in Portugal, families that every day try to put some food on the table for their children, families that face every day choices that no one should face.

In my neighborhood, I often see old people just buying yogurts at the supermarket, the rest goes to their medicaments; across the street from my window I see an old couple that during night time, every night, they keep the lights off - to save money, the only thing on is the TV. This is poverty.

We, the Portuguese have spend more than 1 million euros on the the Madeleine McCann case & searches, not even 15% of that amount was ever spend on the other Portuguese missing children globally, now the McCanns ask for 1,2 million euros for alleged defamation, to a common man, a former cop; in this country what the McCanns are doing is more than outrageous, its abject, ignoble, its offensive.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:27 am

Bluj my friend thank you for your information. Why is Joana Morais so upset about the translation and information on the 24horas? The information does not mentions her name. So, why is she so upset? Who or what is Morais fears? It looks like Morais fears us. I wonder why?

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Post by Rosie on Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:38 am

No not a second hand Jaguar as the lying duplicitous Joana Morais has stated, it was a brand new top of the range Jaguar, if it was a second hand Jaguar, why would it be seized?
Also Jaguars are gas guzzlers, just like Amaral is a cigar smoking, beer and wine guzzler!

Also what I would like to now is why was he given such a huge loan on his salary? After all his own wife said it was a pittance for someone of his experience! So who is lying?

How did Amaral manage to get himself in almost half a million pounds worth of debt?

it was almost as if he wasn't bothered because he had an extra undeclared income from something, nah, couldn't be that could it? Would the convicted criminal liar, lie about something like that?

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Post by Rosie on Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:54 am

bluj1515 wrote:More from Morais

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Location: Lisbon, Pt. Exactly Montclair, unfortunately the number of families in this situation is growing, last year there was a full coverage piece in Jornal de NotÝcias about 'Os Novos Pobres' - 'The New poor people', it said that about 4 million Portuguese were living in that condition or close, even though they all had jobs, and that they only hope for surviving was either the charity of others [some don't accept this help for pride and shame] and/or the state support - which as we know is extremely low.

So, yes, there are people starving in Portugal, families that every day try to put some food on the table for their children, families that face every day choices that no one should face.

In my neighborhood, I often see old people just buying yogurts at the supermarket, the rest goes to their medicaments; across the street from my window I see an old couple that during night time, every night, they keep the lights off - to save money, the only thing on is the TV. This is poverty.

We, the Portuguese have spend more than 1 million euros on the the Madeleine McCann case & searches, not even 15% of that amount was ever spend on the other Portuguese missing children globally, now the McCanns ask for 1,2 million euros for alleged defamation, to a common man, a former cop; in this country what the McCanns are doing is more than outrageous, its abject, ignoble, its offensive.

These problems are not particular to Portugal and this does not excuse Goncalo Amaral doing what he has done and it is not the fact that so many people are in debt, or even the fact that Amaral is debt, that is really the problem, the problem is that Goncalo Amaral has been in heavily in debt for many years and he has means and motive to maybe accept illegal bungs, I am not saying this is what he did, but I am saying he is in a position which for a policeman in a country where corruption in politics and the judiciary and the judiciaria is rife.

Goncalo Amaral had a lot of money in his bank accounts, why did he not pay off his debts? Or does he think he is above the law? He is an ignorant, arrogant corrupt bent ex cop, a convicted criminal, I do not trust him and I would put nothing past him.

Time for Portugal to arrest Goncalo Amaral, make him a witness and force him to answer questions concerning the irregular and most appalling way he conducted the Madeleine McCann investigation and also the Joana Cipriano investigation.

He did not need a lot of money to come do his job when he was told that Madeleine had disappeared, he did not need a lot of money to seal the scene and make it a crime scene and he did not need a lot of money to get forensics in there immediately.

He messed Madeleine's investigation up and I believe, in my honest opinion that he did this on purpose to give the abductors time to get away.

So no amount of whining and whingeing by the liar Joana Morais and her morons is going to change that.

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Post by vee8 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:06 am

So, joana, half of Portugal is half a million in debt, is it? Common is it? Maria, Pedro, are YOU that much in debt? I don't wish to be nosey of course, but I bet even if you are a little short of cash, I bet you are not half a million in debt! I'm hard up too, I get by because my wife works as well, and we manage to keep our heads above water somehow. We too have a house with a mortgage, and that has been paid regularly without fail since we took it out, ten years ago. If we want something that we can't afford, like a new Jag, then we damn well go without! Your pathetic attempts to cover for amaral have made you look like a complete and total fool. Millions of people are in debt, but not that many are half a million euros in debt, so blow it out of your backside, your not fooling anyone.
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Post by dianeh on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:15 am

Many people have debts, long term debts. But how many of your family and friends have had legal action taken against them to recover the debts? Not very many. And of those that you know that have had legal action, how many have since received money, not paid their existing debts, and bought a new jag. NONE.

It is not the debts that is at issue. THe issue is that he fails to repay debts and as a result has legal action taken against him or his family. And when the Tax Office takes action, then you can be sure that it is no beat up, that it is real.

Ms Morais is not fooling anyone by making these lame excuses for him. She would be best to say nothing, as her pathetic excuses are not helping, actually Jo, they make him look less honest or more incompetent, take your pick.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:17 am

My friend, you are not nosey, I don┤t have any debts, but, even if I had, I never would have to make schemes to gain fame and fortune at the expenses of innocents. Such disgusting behaviour is not in my nature.

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Post by Cath on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:15 am

bluj1515 wrote:Maria and Pedro, your translation and information on the 24Horas article has Morais scrambling to try and cover it up.

Joana Morais said... 114 24horas were the ones who spoke about Amaral's second-hand jaguar firstly, in an article written by Nuno Miguel "Duarte Levy". Now they copied and published the Expresso article.

If that's indeed Levy, it does look as if he's either turned at GA or he's more impartial as Jo.

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Post by dianeh on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:38 am

Perhaps Levy is impartial, in that he will write whatever it takes to get paid.
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Post by bluj1515 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:28 pm

They also have not posted Sandra's interview, yet translated one into English - one that is unbelievably damning.

From memory, Sandra Felgueiras acknowldges the difficulty of asking pertinent questions when she is face to face witthe people concerned- but these questions need to be asked and she somehow manages to do that. The McCanns had to be asked pertinent questions as they seemed to have been able to avoid them whilst in Portugal and a year after their arguido status lifted, the questions were overdue. Sandra is critical of the investigation for various reasons: the apartment having been invaded in the early hours, the PJ not having secured the crime scene. The interviewers did say this was because they PJ were following the abduction scenario, and Sandra responded it's still not an excuse. Sandra also mentioned that journalists were led to suspect the McCanns. When the case files became public, she literally made a beeline to the one page where FSS spoke about the 17 out of 19 markers and how it could easily be assumed it was indeed Madeleine's DNA. She then goes on to talk about the very next next paragraph where the forensics specialist cautioned that this DNA could belong to a large proportion of the population ( ). This was a shocking revelation for her. The dogs were mentioned - that they smelt cadaver odour and blood after the crime scene had been contaminated by so many people as well as the apartment having been let out. Portugal placed itself in a precarious position in the eyes of the British by suspecting the McCanns on such apparently flimsy evidence when this could have been avoided.

ETA - they also spoke about Goncalo Amaral's motives - and her response is that only he knows what his motives are. It still does not make him right or wrong in his assumptions. She acknowledges the very bad time he went through - losing his position in the PJ, etc.

The McCanns have the need to continue publicising the abduction scenario to keep this scenario on the table. Also, that Madeleine is now very homogeneous and any little girl could look like her now. It's virtually impossible to find her and the possiblity that she is not findable (alive or dead) increases as the years go by.
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Post by dianeh on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:55 pm

The McCanns have the need to continue publicising the abduction scenario to keep this scenario on the table.

I bet this has not been translated/transcribed properly. The McCanns need to keep publicising the abduction because they are looking for their little girl. How else do they look for their missing little girl without acknowledging an abduction took place.

This has been written to make it sound as though the McCanns are promoting a lie, and that if they failed to continue to promote it, then everyone would believe that she had been murdered, or accidentally killed and her body disposed of by her parents.

Ummm, no Joanna you moron, the promotion is to keep the search before the public, nothing more. I wonder if Sandra would agree with your interpretation of what she said. And saying, 'from memory' does not excuse posting something so blatantly false.
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Post by calcite51 on Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:02 pm

Joana is very anti-McCann and very pro-Amaral - as far as I know, has been from the start. Don't know why she doesn't see Amaral for what he really is and don't really care. The more I know of this man, the more I'm glad that I never had confidence in him. I wonder if the sheep (following Joana) will be so willing to give badly-needed money to his help Amaral fund after all is said and done?
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Post by maria on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:24 pm

I have been willing to write a post explaining the best tha I could why all this fuss about Amaral support, but it would demand some logic capacity that I don't have at the moment. Sorry for that, I'll be back on the subject ASAP.

About debts. It is said that Amaral's retirement pension is around 2400 euro. Combined with Sofia's statement that they were living on 1/3 of their income, that would give him a salary of 7200 euro. In my opinion PJ salaries are not that high BUT they have benefits that could bring the monthly total to this amount. Now, they asked for the 250.000 290.000 euro mortagage back in 2002, the monthly income would surely be lower, due to inflation, but still WELLLLL above national average. But by then banks were very much willing to lend money, the base tax was around say 3-4% with a spread of 0,050,5-1%. Very soon, base rates went up like mad with the crisis, only two years ago base rates started coming down and spreads going up. But still there is NO comparison with the previous situation. Besides, for contracts agreed with low spreads, these are maintained. I'll give you my example: my base rate is euribor (6 months) which currently stands at less than 1% and a spread of 0,05% 0,5% (contract 2004).

So, if Amaral asked for a mortgage and it was granted, he could have renegotiated his spread when they were going down, go through a bad period when the base rates went up and feel much better now. He could have easily faced a monthly payement of 1500-2000 (depending on the period of the loan) euros during the peak with an income of, say 5000 euro a month (not counting on Sofia's income, of course!). It is still feasible, timely pay for the mortgage, I mean!

It is however absolutely inadmissible a debt of 16.000 euro in TAXES. These are PUBLIC monies, this is the very first duty of a citizen, specially of an authority member (PJ is an authority, isn't it?)

But the main point to me is that as soon as he got some money (irrespective of the origin) he didn't go back and repayed some of the debts, he run to buy a new or second hand EXCLUSIVE car, EXCLUSIVE clothes, organising and paying for parties, etc. This is what tells me about his lack of character.

And that is the camp where we should keep the discussion, not go into other considerations, like JM would like us to go.
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Post by Marilyn on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:38 pm

Has anyone ever found a direct connection between Jo Morais and Amaral ? .. or an indirect one .. there has to be a reason.
This woman is on a mission and that is to deflect any incoming fire against Amaral; defend Amaral any way she can .. and protect Amaral in all ways possible .. why is she doing this ?

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Post by Cath on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:33 pm

I've been wondering about that too on a few occasions.
She's started her blog in October/November 2007 soon after GA got sacked from the investigation.
I'm sure some day we'll know what's the connection between those two.

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Post by maria on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:44 pm

Some other anglo-portuguese cases were started at the time, or better, some earlier cases went international and that's why I said that I need to have a more 'clear' logical reasoning to try and explain my theory. Yes, JM has a very different agenda, in it (the agenda) Amaral is a pawn, disposable as soon as a 'good' piece of news comes up. Only this piece is taking a long time to come up...
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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:55 pm

Yeah, I wonder why?

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Post by maria on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:10 pm

Are you refering to the 'new piece of news'? Because if it is that, IMHO, there isn't anything that they can bring up and all attempts have failed miserably. So, they go on with what they got, Madeleine, and support Amaral, it keeps people's minds busy and mistified, and contributes for the stupidification of the audience.
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Post by Pedro Silva on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:50 pm

Yes Maria.

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