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Post by bluj1515 on Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:31 pm



from PFA2...via MissingMadeleine

The Comb wrote:Just a few points about The Madeleine Foundation.

Obviously
this forum isn't the place to discuss internal matters, however, a few
things can be said in the hope of making things a little clearer.

Undoubtedly
for Debbie, myself and The Madeleine Foundation the landscape has
changed since Carter-Ruck wrote their letters to us on 27 and 28
August. Just to make a couple of points clear, first, in answer I think
to Bren, yes, Debbie and I received separate letters, making similar
but slightly different points against each of us. Second, it was only I
that received a letter from Carter-Ruck on behalf of Brian and Patrick
Kennedy. That I dealt with in a letter dated 17 September, and as I've
not heard back from Carter-Ruck on that point, I may reasonably assume
by now, six week later, that the Kennedys are reasonably content with
my response.

The meeting at Kirwans added additional pressures
given the very forceful advice that even if one sentence was found to
be libelous, each of us could face financial ruin. Normally I don't
lack courage in the face of adversity, but the serious prospect of
losing my half of our home and some savings accumulated for old age
clearly concentrated the mind as that is not a threat I've ever faced
on some of my other campaigns.

A further letter from Carter-Ruck
arrived in my inbox by e-mail at 5.45m on Friday although it's now
Tuesday and I've not seen the hard copy version.

It appears
that, inter alia, the McCanns believe that not only should our website
be permanently suspended and all copies of '60 Reasons' and '10
Reasons' in our possession destroyed, but they take exception to the
continued existence of The Madeleine Foundation and our holding
meetings.

A passage of their 4-page letter, on page 3, reads as follows:
"As
further proof that your campaign against our clients is ongoing, we are
aware that you issued a statement on behalf of yourself and Ms Butler
at 23.35 on 2 October 2009 (that is, only a few hours after you
purported to 'accede' to our clients' demands):

'Well, the
Madeleine Foundation website is no more, but The Madeleine Foundation
itself is unaffected by the McCanns' demands made via their libel
Solicitors Carter-Ruck. Our programe of meetings continues, starting
with tomorrow's meeting in Cardiff and our meeting in Manchester on 14
November'.

We understand that you did indeed proceed to hold a
meeting of the so-called 'Madeleine Foundation' in Cardiff on 3 October
2009".
Carter-Ruck require a response to their letter by Friday,
even though the hard copy version of their letter has not yet arrived.
It'll take up a bit more time replying to that.

Two points about our future plans.

The
Madeleine Foundation will be meeting in Manchester on 14 November. Some
lovely, caring, sharp and bright people will be there, as they were at
our Harlow meeting in August, and I look forward to meeting them again
and to some new faces who will be joining us from places such as North
Wales, Liverpool and Yorkshire. I'm looking forward to a good, friendly
and positive meeting, just as the Harlow one was.

Second, we
shall be calling a meeting of our subscribing members shortly and at
that more formal meeting we will take decisions about precisely where
we go from here.

I should also make it crystal clear for the record here that the website now running on www.madeleinefoundation.org
is no longer in any way shape or form owned or controlled by The
Madeleine Foundation, but has been taken over by Stevo, as must be
clear from anyone who's been over to that site recently. Thus we have
no website at present.

I can't speak for Debbie, as I don't
know, but I have already provided Carter-Ruck, i.e. the McCanns, with a
signed written undertaking that:

“Not to publish in any medium
whatsoever the allegation that the McCanns know that their duaghter
Madeleine is dead, and either caused or allowed her death, and that the
McCanns have knowingly covered up this fact”.

This was the wording required in Carter-Ruck's letter of 27 August.

That
clearly restricts very much what I am able to publish, for example on
this forum, about the mystery of how Madeleine McCann disappeared, and
partly for that reason, I have decided to withdraw from this forum
until further notice. Much of the notes and analysis I have accumulated
on the case simply cannot be drawn on and discussed here in the light
of my undertaking above.

I have said what I have said about why
Madeleine disappeared and that has brought me almost to the door of the
High Court - indeed it might very well do so despute the undertaking,
for one reason or another. I cannot go on sayng the same things.

Perhaps
paradoxically, despite the banning of '60 Reasons', it is now appearing
elsewhere. For example, on 13 October, Wikileaks published not ony the
whole of '60 Reasons' but also the whole of '10 Reasons' as well. So
the content is being brought to a still wider audience. I should add
for the benefit of any Carter-Ruck staff reading this that I had
nothing whatsoever to do with this, neither did anyone else I know, in
fact I never knew before what the Wikileaks site was all about.

Another
reason for departing is that inevitably various questions arise and
one's motives are questioned and it becomes tiresome to answer them all.

Just
to give one example, Debbie raised an issue about 4 cheques yesterday
and then 'Laffin' asked what they were for. O.K., just this once for
the record, all cheques issued by The Madeleine Foundation must be
signed by both Debbie and I. As we are about 60 miles apart, Debbie has
sometimes signed two or three blank cheques in advance as is common in
such situations. The basis of that is mutual trust and no cheque has
gone out unless we both know precisely what it is for. At Liverpool we
had our chequebook and on this occasion Debbie signed four in advance.
Just for the record, none of those have yet been used and signed yet,
as under normal circumstances I would speak to her before issuing a
cheque for any reason. I hope that's cleared that one up.

I'd
like to thank Ambersuz here for inviting me to join the forum which on
he whole I've much enjoyed, except for that awful period in the month
after 3As shut down when most of the most insidious trolls encamped
here en masse until booted out by Ambersuz.

Finally, Debbie, as
you started this thread, thank you for all you have done so far within
The Madeleine Foundation and elsewhere to help find out the truth about
Madeleine; if you feel I've let you and the cause down by giving in to
Cater-Ruck's demands - and perhaps I have - then I'm sorry.

All the best too to all the very good friends on this forum

<---- that's what they all must be doing.

I say Good Riddance, you should still lose it all and rot in hell for the "Reasons".
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Post by Catkins on Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:57 pm


Hmm this one didn't work...........try this..............Bye Bye Bentwit............



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Post by rosemary on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:43 am

Am I reading this correctly..that despite being told off for having the Cardiff meeting he still plans on going ahead with future meetings?

Manchester on Nov 14th????

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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:43 am

Catkins wrote:

Cat, I can't see the pic! Says photobucket account is inactive
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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:52 am

Bren whining about Bennett....


Concernedparent it is not kicking someone when they
are down, it is asking for honest answers for honest questions. Sorry
if you feel I am kicking him whilst he is down, but afterall is that
what we have been sitting here for the last 2+ years complaining about
the McCann's asking for fund for legal defence and yet we are not
allowed to question others.

Sorry to say but my opinion of this
whether you are anti, pro, fencesitter or what you are, it does not
matter what motivation drives you but when you run anything like a
Foundation or organisation you have to be transparent. And by not being
transparent it can make the mind go overboard and active and slurs can
be created especially by those that now will want to cause as much
trouble as possible.

I will state this anybody that makes
money on the back of Madeleine and that includes her parents gets
treated with utter contempt from me. Goncalo Amaral through his book
and his knowledge and being present at the scene of the so called crime
has first hand experience and has the knowledge to let the world know
that things are not right in this case and has a right imo to produce a
book, repeat what he knows but anybody that is cashing in on her name
that was not connected to the case in the first place as far as I am
concerned is nothing but an ambulance chaser. That child is being
treated like a commodity by her parents and she does not need anyone
else jumping on the bandwagon.

I am not here for making money,
or for making friends, I am here for justice for Madeleine and if I
wanted to win popularity then I would have signed up to a Popularity
Contest site, but until all sides of the argument are truthful then I
am afraid justice will never be done for Madeleine.Brencardi Forum
(General Forum)- http://brencardi.prophpbb.com/


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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:53 am

She's such an ass....I see them becoming even more pro Amaral if possible....look at her defend him for his book and his millions and his Jag, etc. while slagging the McCanns for FUND money and TWO mortgage payments...let's put this in perspective
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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:55 am

Re: Madeleine Foundation
concernedparent Today at 14:49

hi bren,
i
here what you are saying but why does mr.amaral be the only on ewith
the right to write a book,to be fair and honest he wasn't there on the
night when the child went missing,he can only write what his opinion
is, i could do the same or anybody for that matter.
just cause he
was invovled in the case doesnt give him the right to write a book
unless he still has some things that arnt known to the public and in
that case why doesnt he go to court.
do you think tony and deborah were wrong collecting money,same as stevo, is he wrong writing his book as well.
i dont think you can say one person can write a book but others cant.

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Snr
Amaral has been forced into a position where he can't afford to take
this court. Just like Debbie and Tony could not afford to take on the
might of Team McCann.

I will say this for anybody to take on
Team McCann and risk losing their homes, their livelihoods, savings and
family is too much for any of us to ask of a person. So their decision
to concede should be respected because until each and everyone of us is
in that position nobody knows the stress and strains of having to
possibly face the loss if you fail to win.

I have never
criticised Snr Amaral or TB or Debbie for conceding personally I think
they took the right decision for themselves and their families. My
problem lies with once conceding, which is no shame, asking for money
for a legal defence fund. What the hell do you need money for and
cheques to be signed when things are basically over?

As for
stevo, come on let us be honest there, some of his theories on 3as left
a lot to be desired, I can remember pointing out to him that Sir Paul
Stephenson was not on a boat and he would not accept it, so technically
is this book going to be based on reports from Goncalo etc and then his
version of what he thinks happened to Madeleine or is it just going to
be a copy of others words and works.

I have said this on this
forum before and I do not want to get into an argument with stevo or
anyone here but to see baby vests, and bibs with a cadaver dog on the
front of them is tacky and sick in my mind. To sell dog bowels, clocks,
and god knows what else is imo making money out of Madeleine. And that
is wrong. I can't help the way I think, I can't help the way I see
things, but I won't sit back and not say anything just to keep the
peace.

Yes I had a donation button on the 3a's to help run the
website and it was voluntary but cafepress was put to me by Nbrado and
he wanted to sell 3a's mugs, t-shirts and I said No it makes us no
better than the McCann's. If you need help running a site but a paypal
button on it, that is indiscreet but you don't have an on-line shop
imo.Brencardi Forum (General Forum)-


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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:55 am

(these are all courtsey of JATYK)
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Post by Cath on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:11 am

All the best too to all the very good friends on this forum

Just checked. Both TB and DB seem to be online on MM forum. So he wasn't flouncing. A pity.

Will they both attend that November meeting? Could be fun to watch.

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Post by vee8 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:31 am

If bennett thinks it's over, I suggest he think again. The fat lady hasn't sung yet, in fact she hasn't even set foot on the stage, but she IS in the dressing room, and she is warming up her voice.
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Post by dianeh on Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:52 am

IF Bennett and Butler were holding one last meeting to wind up the Madeleine Foundation, then they may escape court. But after reading Bennett's post, I dont think that is what he has in mind. Even after writing that he has been asked to close down the Madeleine Foundation.

Added to this about the website and publishing of the 60/10 reasons booklets on the Wikileaks site. As Jayelles has pointed out on another thread, Bennett wrote this stuff, so he has intellectual properly rights which he can enforce, at no cost to himself. IMO, unless he does this, he will still be facing court.

It seems to me that Bennett is trying to appear to be doing the right thing to Carter Ruck, so that he can avoid the libel action. HOwever, appearing to do the right thing and doing the right thing are different. If he took the approach of actually doing the right thing, then this would all just go away.

Bennett, do the right thing.

Here is a list of what you could try, that might actually help you and let you keep your house and retirement savings.

1. Take action against Stevo to remove your intellectual property from his site.
2. Wind up the Madeleine Foundation, and ask the host of the site to remove it as it will then be a fraudulent site, if the MF no longer exists.
3. Take action against any other website publishing or selling the 10/60 reasons booklets, again under the rights of intellectual property infringement.
4. Refrain from posting in public about Madeleine again (as you have stated you would do in your posts)
5. Actively encourage those that are still making libellous posts from doing so. This will show good faith, and would go along way to stopping any legal proceedings, and would also help to show remorse for what you have done.
6. Publicly withdraw your support for Amaral and his libellous theories.

There are probably other things you could do, but try doing all this, and make sure CR knows. And then stand by your actions, instead of trying to find some backhanded way of getting around CR's demands.
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Post by Jayelles on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:02 am

Hear Hear!

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Post by vee8 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:13 am

I suppose a full apology to the mcCann's, not just for libelling them, but doing God alone knows what harm to the search for Madeleine is beyond his concience?
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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:24 am

Bennett said:-

Perhaps
paradoxically, despite the banning of '60 Reasons', it is now appearing
elsewhere. For example, on 13 October, Wikileaks published not ony the
whole of '60 Reasons' but also the whole of '10 Reasons' as well. So
the content is being brought to a still wider audience. I should add
for the benefit of any Carter-Ruck staff reading this that I had
nothing whatsoever to do with this, neither did anyone else I know, in
fact I never knew before what the Wikileaks site was all about.

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Who knows whether he had anything to do with it or not, but one things for sure, when he did find out about the site, he plugged it at every given oportunity just as he has done here!

The man is a parasite!
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Post by dianeh on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:29 am

Tinks

This is exactly what I was referring to. Instead of bleating that he had nothing to do with it, he should be actively seeking to remove the booklet from publication. And as I (courtesy of Jayelles) have pointed out, he can do this using his intellectual property rights.

There are probably other methods as well. He could contact CR and ask for their assistance in having it removed. Perhaps they would offer free advice on how it could be done, as after all, this woud save a lot of costs in the long run.

But doing nothing, but pretending he had no knowledge of it, and that he cant do anything, and plugging the site, is not really an option. Not if he wants to keep his house and retirement savings.
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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:31 am

I note he keeps making a point of the fact he hasn't received his hard copies. Does he not know that there is a postal strike!

Good job C-R did and emailed him as a precaution! I trust he provided them with a read receipt.
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Post by Peaceful1 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:01 am

vee8 wrote:If bennett thinks it's over, I suggest he think again. The fat lady hasn't sung yet, in fact she hasn't even set foot on the stage, but she IS in the dressing room, and she is warming up her voice.


Yup Vee. IMO, this is just the beginning.
Soz but I have booked front row seats for this show.


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Post by dianeh on Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:16 am

Tinkerbell43 wrote:I note he keeps making a point of the fact he hasn't received his hard copies. Does he not know that there is a postal strike!

Good job C-R did and emailed him as a precaution! I trust he provided them with a read receipt.

Even I know that there is Postal Strike over there. But couldnt they have used a courier instead.

Is an email considered legal, or does it have to be in hardcopy? Or is it simply enough that the hardcopy is supplied at a later date? I know that other legal documents can be sent via email. Such as invoices. I have also received scanned letters in place of paper ones, and I presume these to have been official and legal. Of course, I have never been sued, which is why I am asking the questions.
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Post by Rosie on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:13 am

Bennett is a liar, he knew about Wikileaks, however if he is not and he did not know, as it is now plain and clear, I hope he has been in touch with them to request that the information they hold be removed, or has he forgotten that he gave the concession to Carter-Ruck when he 'aceded' that he would remove or request removal of his booklet or leaflets?

He says he is nothing to do with http://www.madeleinefoundation.org/ of course it appears that he is lying yet again, why is the same drop down box advertising his booklet, dropping down on the site? I see they have blurred the face of Madeline out, but have they removed her image from every booklet? This site that Bennett says he is no longer part of is STILL SELLING HIS BOOKLET so:


  1. Who is supplying the booklets?
  2. Who is receiving the money for them?


If Bennett has nothing to do with this site, can Bennett explain why his and why to this date and time, does his name and that of Deborah Butler STILL appear in the contact details on the
http://www.madeleinefoundation.org/ ?

Why are they STILL asking for donations to run the Madeleine Foundation? Who is the paypal account in the name of which is collecting donations? My betting it is in the names of Butler and Bennett.
Who is keeping the books of the Madeleine Foundation? It is NOT a registered charity, yet it is seeking to run on charitable donations, who is paying its taxes and does Bennett and Butler have to declare these donations as unearned income?

No doubt Bennett thinks he is being very clever and is getting one over on Carter-Ruck, just as he told Carter-Ruck to "go boil their heed" just after acceding to C-R.

I would say that Bennett and Butler have most definitely NOT heard the last of this and that they will be appearing in the High Court in due course, they have ignored every warning and tried to be clever, do they not realise that Carter-Ruck have seen all of this before? They are not international libel lawyers for nothing, and speaking of 'international' if Stevo thinks he is getting away with this, he can think again too, as he will soon discover!
I am amused that because Bennett thinks he has heard nothing about his libelling Brian and Patrick Kennedy that his little very erudite assertions in his long winded reply to Carter-Ruck are acceptable, he will find out soon enough.

I notice he has still not reproduced his entire letter from Carter-Ruck, but has lost no time in reproducing others. I wonder why that is?

I would also imagine that Carter-Ruck will have something to say about them referring to this as "Homicide case" (Appears under heading of Madeleine Foundation)

All in all this is a pretty humiliating climb down for Bennett, he has been forced to accept that he cannot prove his libellous comments, yet he still appears on the Madeleine Foundation site as a contact and no doubt is still receiving monies from sales of his booklet.

I also smiled wryly when I read him thanking Ambersewer for getting rid of "insidious trolls" this is what he calls everyone he cannot reply to.

I assume that I was one such "insidious troll" when I was on MM and asked him much the same questions and pointed out much the same as Carter-Ruck have done, because he had no answer to me and because the Ambersewer knew he had no answers she banned me!



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Post by bluj1515 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:55 am

dianeh wrote:
Tinkerbell43 wrote:I note he keeps making a point of the fact he hasn't received his hard copies. Does he not know that there is a postal strike!

Good job C-R did and emailed him as a precaution! I trust he provided them with a read receipt.

Even I know that there is Postal Strike over there. But couldnt they have used a courier instead.

Is an email considered legal, or does it have to be in hardcopy? Or is it simply enough that the hardcopy is supplied at a later date? I know that other legal documents can be sent via email. Such as invoices. I have also received scanned letters in place of paper ones, and I presume these to have been official and legal. Of course, I have never been sued, which is why I am asking the questions.

At least over here, you're suppose to get a judge's permission to use anything other than traditional mail. You can send an informal email attachment, etc., for expedient's sake but it doesn't "count" as notice.
However, in this increasingly electronic world, more and more judges are ruling that if you get an email, respond to it, acknowledge it, etc. you can't claim later that the suit should be tossed because you didn't receive notice. To be honest, I'm not sure how legally binding CR's deadlines are. If he never responded, it would show a lack of good faith; but since he's allegedly pro se and asking for an extension, CR will probably give it to him.
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Post by dianeh on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:46 pm

Bennett, do the right thing.

Here is a list of what you could try, that might actually help you and let you keep your house and retirement savings.

1. Take action against Stevo to remove your intellectual property from his site.
2. Wind up the Madeleine Foundation, and ask the host of the site to remove it as it will then be a fraudulent site, if the MF no longer exists.
3. Take action against any other website publishing or selling the 10/60 reasons booklets, again under the rights of intellectual property infringement.
4. Refrain from posting in public about Madeleine again (as you have stated you would do in your posts)
5. Actively encourage those that are still making libellous posts from doing so. This will show good faith, and would go along way to stopping any legal proceedings, and would also help to show remorse for what you have done.
6. Publicly withdraw your support for Amaral and his libellous theories.

There are probably other things you could do, but try doing all this, and make sure CR knows. And then stand by your actions, instead of trying to find some backhanded way of getting around CR's demands.

This part of my post is so good, I thought it was worth repeating, just in case Bennett missed it the first time.
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Post by calcite51 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:01 pm

Yes, Diane your post is very good - I don't know but I'm hoping he just does as he normally does - ignore any good advice and continue with his nonsense - then we can watch the fireworks and eat popcorn....
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Post by Peaceful1 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:10 pm

Oohh front row seats AND popcorn.

It seems Dumb and Dumber just don't know when to shut up do they?
Mind you, I do think the message is slowly sinking in how much sh*t they are in.


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Post by dianeh on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:24 pm

calcite51 wrote:Yes, Diane your post is very good - I don't know but I'm hoping he just does as he normally does - ignore any good advice and continue with his nonsense - then we can watch the fireworks and eat popcorn....

Actually Calcite, Im hoping that he does take my advice. Not the least because of his poor wife, who would be left homeless and without anything other than the state pension. But also, what I am suggesting is the right thing to do. It would mean something. It would prove him to be a man of his word. And it would go some way (some small way admittedly) to repairing some of the damage that he has done.

The McCanns dont want to bankrupt him, they want him to stop and to stop damaging the search for their daughter. And that is what I want as well.

But honestly, he has to do something, not pretend to do something, using ridiculous child like excuses for why he cant fulfill the promises he has made to Carter Ruck. To make promises and then deliberately fail to keep them, will be a lot harder on him in the long run, than if he had made a proper attempt to fulfil them.
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Post by calcite51 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:07 pm

Well, maybe Bennett wants to continue his campaign and maybe he has a contingency plan - he and wife will move in with Mummy - didn't he take his mum to her homeland not too long ago. Can you imagine living with your mother-in-law? Now wouldn't that be a great recipe for marital bliss??
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