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JOINT STATEMENT BY DEBBIE BUTLER (CHAIRMAN) AND TONY BENNETT (SECRETARY) ON LEGAL LETTERS RECEIVED FROM CARTER-RUCK

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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:42 am

I think he's been to the CAB to try and save money by the sounds of his reply

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Post by dianeh on Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:01 pm

Bennett's reply is like a law student writing an assignment (well the bits I read, I have already sacrificed far too much of my life by reading the other letter).

2 points.

1. Already said over and over that sending a piece of libellous crap to the McCanns for comment doesnt mitigate the libel contained in the piece. It is up to the author to ensure it is correct.

2. And so what if Gerry says on his website that they are not going to dignify the Houndation with a comment. He didnt say they werent sueing them for libel. And we did warn Bennett and his cohorts that taking legal action didnt require any comment. But once again they chose not to listen.

So much more could be said, but better to sit and watch. This is quite enjoyable.

Carter Ruck Rocks.
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Post by Peaceful1 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:21 pm

Rosie I hope you keep us up to date when it reaches court.
I cant help wondering, if TB has taken legal advice and will require a Barrister, then why has he put together such a lengthy reply to CR?
I am sure no lawyer or barrister would have advised him to reply at length in this instance?
I seem to think he is acting for himself?
If he has taken legal advice, then Butler should make sure she hears every word of the legal advice rather than just take TB word for it.
He does appear to have a habit of protecting his own backside first doesn't he?
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Post by vee8 on Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:37 pm

dianeh wrote:Bennett's reply is like a law student writing an assignment (well the bits I read, I have already sacrificed far too much of my life by reading the other letter).

2 points.

1. Already said over and over that sending a piece of libellous crap to the McCanns for comment doesnt mitigate the libel contained in the piece. It is up to the author to ensure it is correct.

2. And so what if Gerry says on his website that they are not going to dignify the Houndation with a comment. He didnt say they werent sueing them for libel. And we did warn Bennett and his cohorts that taking legal action didnt require any comment. But once again they chose not to listen.

So much more could be said, but better to sit and watch. This is quite enjoyable.

Carter Ruck Rocks.

bennett's biggest mistake was confusing 'No comment' with 'No action,' The McCann's are not obliged to reveal their plans to the Bald Illegal, however important he thinks he is. As for his begging for more time, he should have responded the very day those letters dropped onto his doormat, like most sensible people like you or me would have done. He did nothing. Exactly how long did he THINK he had before he had to respond? A week? A month? In his OWN sweet time? He gambled it was a bluff, and he lost. Now comes payback time. C-R's reply to his request will be short and sweet. No deal.
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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:26 am

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wish also to correct a further inaccuracy I have noted on page 2 of
your letter. The final paragraph of your letter states: “…you recently
chose to plumb new depths by posting leaflets to residents of the
village in which our clients live with their children”. I must inform
you that I have never ‘posted’ or delivered or distributed any of the
‘10 Reasons’ leaflets nor indeed any other information or leaflet about
Madeleine to anyone in Rothley. You need to withdraw that claim from
your letter.

Its a form of terrorising imo, and the brevity of their situation still hasnt sunk in from what ive heard.

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Post by Cath on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:55 am

calcite51 wrote:CR sure know how to spoil a holiday - how can Tony enjoy these two holidays when he's in so much legal trouble?? If I had been Tony, I think I would have cancelled my holiday.

If his income is below the tax whateveritscalled, how can he afford to have two holidays shortly after another?
Am I right when I think he's been on a holiday earlier this year too? I wonder who controls the money of the Floundation and if there's anybody who checks how many pamphlets and leaflets are sold.

ETA and he really should stop writing letters like that. Makes it even more clear why he's never succeeded in any job. Also he should check the dates he's mentioned..... (clue 2007)


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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:09 am

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090919/tuk-mccann-lawyers-in-website-demand-6323e80.html


seems the press have now got hold of the news, id be interested to know who tipped them off.

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Post by Jayelles on Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:44 am

Does this idiot think that being below the tax threshold puts him above the law?

All along he has played this card that since the McCanns hadn't entered into dialogue about his leaflets, that it meant they couldn't refute the accusations contained within them. It makes me so angry that this blithering idiot thinks that the McCanns should have put the search for their daughter on hold to entertain his meddlesome cr*p. The fact is that they have endured this hate campaign for two years because they wanted to focus on finding Madeleine.

I really hope they follow this through now. I am utterly convinced that nothing short of a jail sentence will stop this pest. If they don't follow it through, he will trump success and up his game.

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Post by rosemary on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:02 am

I see from Stevoīs reply to TBīs letter - no.69 - that he has no intention of closing down the MF site until Tony and Butler request it which he doubts. He also said that the law cannot close it down as it is in the US not UK domain. So it has begun......

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Post by vee8 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:08 am

Mulleena wrote:http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090919/tuk-mccann-lawyers-in-website-demand-6323e80.html


seems the press have now got hold of the news, id be interested to know who tipped them off.

It's on VirginMedia too.

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/uk/2009/09/19/mccann_lawyers_in_website_demand

Notice the anti's spam machine is already in full swing. Can someone get over there pronto, and even things out?
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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:25 am

rosemary wrote:Rosie I do have the utmost faith in Carter Ruck. No worries there. (Although itīs quite true I am a half a glass empty sort of a person!) But I am very interested in the global legalities of this case though and wonder what is the likely scenario if TB caves in and goes quiet and gets slapped and says sorry (although it may well be too late for all that now!) but then turns up somewhere else later on from a website in Spain or Portugal or the US with the same agenda under another name.
We are seeing a precedent regarding international laws of incitement and defamation, especially with regard to the Internet arenīt we?
Believe me Rosie I am not pessimistic about Carter Ruck, quite the contrary. I am just trying to fast forward into the future because there are always going to be evil doers out there, even if TB and Butler are carried off tomorrow. For me anyway this whole issue is not about them. Itīs much more interesting than that. I think it has to do with how one protects the individual from trial by internet.
But you are right. Letīs wait and see how things pan out. Canīt wait for the next instalment!

I think it will not matter where the server is for a site, Bennett and Butler are in the UK, they have to abide by UK laws, although his remains to be seen, I do not think they will be able to open a website up in another country, they will still be in breach of law in this country. I think he would have to move to another country to do this, but even then I think the UK could still act and what country will allow him to do this after the trouble has has caused?

There is also this law change coming up which will cover hate sites etc on the internet, Vee knows more about this than I do.

I do not think there is any doubt about it now, both Bennett and Butler are in serious trouble and I have to say this, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg, I feel that there has to be more to come!

The most ridiculous thing is that Butler is down as the Founder and chair of the Foundation, this must mean that it is registered to her, she is supposed to be a business woman, then in my opinion, she cannot be a very savvy one as she does not appear to be able to grasp the true extent of the trouble they are in and is still playing games at Madeleine's expense! It is all going to end in Butler's tears she stands to lose everything and Bennett, who is free with Butler's time and money etc, stands to lose nothing, this is why he is so vociferous, still if Butler doesn't care, why should we?

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Post by christabel on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:42 am

MCCANN LAWYERS IN WEBSITE DEMAND



Lawyers for Madeleine McCann's parents make demand that a website is taken down.

Saturday September 19,2009

Lawyers representing Kate and Gerry McCann have demanded a website claiming their daughter was not abducted be taken down.

The Madeleine Foundation claims Madeleine is dead and her parents bear some responsibility for her death.

In a statement on its website, the foundation says libel specialists Carter-Ruck have also demanded they hand over all remaining copies of leaflets and booklets they published to support their claims.

The spokesman for the McCann family, Clarence Mitchell said: "Kate and Gerry have consistently made it clear they will not dignify the actions of the so-called Madeleine Foundation with any comment whatsoever.

"However Carter-Ruck's position is now clear and it is in the hands of Kate and Gerry's defamation lawyers."

The statement on the foundation's website states they were given until Friday to reply to Carter-Ruck's letters and were now taking legal advice.

Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her family's rented holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007 while her parents dined with friends nearby.

Mr and Mrs McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, tapped into the huge public interest into their daughter's disappearance and made repeated appeals for information.

They feared their daughter had been abducted and taken abroad and set up an official findmadeleine.com website as part of their campaign to be re-united with their daughter

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:46 am

Bang goes butlers apology and damages she seemed to think she was entitled to.

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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:58 am

There is something else that is puzzling me, if Bennett quotes that Carter Ruck did not ask him to respond, why did he all of a sudden feel the need to respond after receiving the letters some 18 days since and suddenly rush to take legal advice, and then respond at length now?

Whoever said that they doubted his solicitor would have advised him to respond at length like this at this moment in time is right, I doubt they would. However what any solicitor would have advised is they throw themselves at the mercy of the McCanns and Carter Ruck and comply with great haste. I see though, he has no plans for this.

I wonder if Debbie is going along with all of this, obediently trotting along at his side or is being dragged along? Nutters.


Did he take legal advice, or is this his own advice? Now he thinks he can delay this further with his changing stories about holidays pre booked etc!

If Butler is taking his (Bennett's advice) then she is an even bigger idiot than I first thought!

As usual, the devil is always in the detail with Bennett, nothing is as he makes it seem and there is something very wrong with this whole thing.

If Bennett is now asking for donations to fund his defense, then he should be up front and show the entire letter from Carter Ruck, and not just the bits he wants people to see.

This way at least people can make an informed decision if to donate (knowingly) funds that could land them liable to part with more money than they ever dreamed of at a later date!

You know, they should realise that it was Bennett and Butler that brought them to this point, that got their forum closed. Bennett and his vexatious whingeing of complaining about anything and everything if they had the cheek to disagree with him. Upsetting national newspapers, journalists , photographers, the GMC, the Portuguese authorities and goodness knows who else, the........ Narcissistic nincompoop!


There is something that Bennett is hiding here, something big in my opinion, also I see that he has quit boasting about the police not contacting Butler over the hate campaign leaflet drop.

WONDER WHY?!


Care to tell us what that is Mr Bennett?Come on now, out with it, you *know* I am right, tell the nice people what it is!


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Post by christabel on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:04 am

Rosie,

He can't hear you he's in Austria Yodel-Ay-Ee-Oooo
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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:10 am

If he goes away on holiday now, look what he is leaving Butler in, right up to her neck too! How is she going to respond when she gets the next letter?

And when does Bennett think he is going to get around to seeing this barrister and responding? Something he should have done in the past 18 days!

I think they got these letters and Bennett told Butler it was done to scare them, a bluff, they would do nothing, so they carried on as usual and then they probably received follow up letters asking them to respond in the first instance.

Eh Bennett? Am I right or am I wrong?

May be he had better cancel his "suddenly pre arranged holidays which he has only just started to talking about!" and take proper legal advice, PDQ because appears to be running out for Bennett, Butler and the Houndation.

Blimey I bet Butler's name is being dragged through the mud.

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:13 am

He,s holidaying in this country thats bennett spiel for he,s gone to stay with Mother in Bournemouth whilst he figures the best way to worm out of this imo.
Remember that post bennetts going on holiday not running away

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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:16 am

christabel wrote:Rosie,

He can't hear you he's in Austria Yodel-Ay-Ee-Oooo

So he says, but honestly, he tells so many sotries that later turn out to be false that I honestly do not believe him, didn't he say he was going to Austria next month? I think this "suddenly pre booked holiday" just appeared out of nowhere. I cannot believe he is playing the sympathy card so publicly with Carter Ruck!

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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:18 am

Mulleena wrote:He,s holidaying in this country thats bennett spiel for he,s gone to stay with Mother in Bournemouth whilst he figures the best way to worm out of this imo.
Remember that post bennetts going on holiday not running away

Oh thanks Mulleena, so this was Bennett's sudden pre booked holiday? Bit mean of his mum to make her son book up to see her don't ya think?

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Post by rosemary on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:24 am

osie what is there to stop TB from handing over the whole site to a US citizen (or European or Australian wherever)? He can be described loosely as a "Consultant" for legal purposes - heīd love that of course. Still the same game, same ethos, same cr-p..just not legally HIS own site. Same bl--dy leaflets without his name to it, reprinted and available as a download.......donīt tell me he hasnīt thought about it.
Did you see Stevoīs reply to TBīs letter, the site cannot be shut down by UK law as its domain is in the US. TB has to request it to close and he doubts he will do this.

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Post by Rosie on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:31 am

rosemary wrote:osie what is there to stop TB from handing over the whole site to a US citizen (or European or Australian wherever)? He can be described loosely as a "Consultant" for legal purposes - heīd love that of course. Still the same game, same ethos, same cr-p..just not legally HIS own site. Same bl--dy leaflets without his name to it, reprinted and available as a download.......donīt tell me he hasnīt thought about it.
Did you see Stevoīs reply to TBīs letter, the site cannot be shut down by UK law as its domain is in the US. TB has to request it to close and he doubts he will do this.

Hi Rosemary, I really would not worry too much what Stevo says, he is already in much more trouble than he can handle, he is being investigated himself and as he is a Brit in the US, he could be in serious trouble, like kicked out of the country serious trouble, for what he has been up to.

There will be a way that TB can be stopped and Stevo simplistic knowledge of the law is a joke, he was quoting the "fair use" doctrine the other day and making a complete pigs ear of it. At the end of the day, Bennett is committing libel and the US have already said they will work with their counterparts in the UK to stop this. Bennett is going down and mark my words, this civil action will soon be the least of his worries!

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Post by rosemary on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:33 am

PS He is living under the tax threshold he says so heīs bound to be helping himself to whatever benefits are available to him. And heīs probably being helped out by his poor old mother as regards holidays, maybe she has a house too?

Thatīs his big problem isnīt it Rosie? He canīt afford his day in court. Unless all his followers set up a Bennett Foundation of course? As if!

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Post by christabel on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:39 am

rosemary wrote:PS He is living under the tax threshold he says so heīs bound to be helping himself to whatever benefits are available to him. And heīs probably being helped out by his poor old mother as regards holidays, maybe she has a house too?

Thatīs his big problem isnīt it Rosie? He canīt afford his day in court. Unless all his followers set up a Bennett Foundation of course? As if!

Now thats a real shame NOT! It just means he will probably have to serve time . He's probably claiming benefits he shouldn't be as at 62, he can only get pension credits.
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