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Brian's Dream Latest

Post by dianeh on Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:07 am

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1303534

Starting from about 22 minutes, Brian starts discussing the case.

At 27:27 minutes, he outright accuses Murat and his associates of taking Madeleine. This was done in conjunction with a russian pornographer who runs a video shop - Sargentae (or something, I havent heard the name before) who is part of the russian mafia.

He says that Murat met Gerry at the Tapas bar, he did this to get to know what their patterns were after they targeted Madeleine. Murat may not have taken her out of the apartment but was part of it, and was to help take her out of PDL. He thinks that Murat hid her in the tunnels when the s### hit the fan and they couldnt move her. Brian also thinks Madeleine is under Murats home and that she is not alive.

He also says that PJ are corrupt and purposefully tried to deflect the case away from the real culprits. And that they searched Murat's house and that the results were not the truth. They know that Madeleine was abducted but tried to frame the parents. Brian is giving Gonc a flogging.

I find it hard to beleive that Brian can say all of this without being sued for libel. And if what he says is true, then one would think he should be a bit frightened of the russian mafia.

I dont agree with him, except where he says the police are corrupt and Madeleine was abducted. THe rest is interesting but clearly libellous. I tend to go with MJ that Madeleine is still alive. No proof, just that i prefer that psychic theory.


Brian also claims that he was served a notice that if he set foot in PDL he would be arrested for interfering in the investigation.
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Brian's Latest Dreams

Post by calcite51 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:30 pm

Hi, Diane - thanks for the update on Brian's site - had not seen it. It is odd that Brian is pointing fingers at ****** ***** - I know he believed that ****** ***** was very involved in Madeleine's kidnapping. Sargentine I think was a russian friend of ***** and his girlfriend but it seems to me Sargentine's car was blown up and a note was left saying, "We know what you did" or something to that effect.

I remember on Brian's blog when this case first started, he had requested donations to go to Portugal. Someone had written him a note and said that if he stepped one foot in Portugal, he would be immediately arrested for interference with the case. This person also said they had sent this information to the PJ's. This was when the PJ's were refusing help from everyone (including Scotland Yard and the FBI) and Gonc was still in charge of the investigation. Since that time, changes have happened - Gonc is no longer in charge of the investigation, and the teams that Kate and Gerry have hired to look for Madeleine have been in Portugal and there has been no consequences - no one has been arrested for tampering with an on going case so I'm not sure why he's still so afraid of going to Portugal.

I agree the PJ's made a lot of mistakes in this case and I like you hope and pray that Madeleine is still alive.


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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by vee8 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:55 pm

I find that strange, because for a very long time Brian always insisted Madeleine is still alive. I admit I stopped looking at his site almost a year ago, because he also kept insisting Madeleine was still in *****'s basement, which I didn't agree with. I wonder why he now thinks she's dead? No, I agree with MJ here, and from the conversations I have had with his wife, it is with good reason.


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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by Pedro Silva on Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:53 pm

I agree wit you my friend Vee, very strange. With all do respect to Mr. Brian Ladd, but I don´t agree with what he says, with all do respect, dreams are not psychic abilities (I´m not making any offensive comment to him). I agree with Vee, and I quote: "I agree with MJ, and from the conversations I have had with his wife, it is with good reason", I also agree you my friend Dianeh, and I quote: "I don´t agree with him", "I tend to go with MJ that Madeleine is still alive. No proof, just that I prefer that psychic theory". I will only celebrate when I see our sweet lovely princess Madeleine McCann in her parents arms, happy, until that happens, I´m waiting for that day, doing what I have to do to help.

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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by sadie on Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:04 pm

WOW Diane, what a find!

calcite51 wrote:Hi, Diane - thanks for the update on Brian's site - had not seen it. It is odd that Brian is pointing fingers at ****** ***** - I know he believed that ****** ***** was very involved in Madeleine's kidnapping. Sargentine I think was a russian friend of ***** and his girlfriend but it seems to me Sargentine's car was blown up and a note was left saying, "We know what you did" or something to that effect.

I remember on Brian's blog when this case first started, he had requested donations to go to Portugal. Someone had written him a note and said that if he stepped one foot in Portugal, he would be immediately arrested for interference with the case. This person also said they had sent this information to the PJ's. This was when the PJ's were refusing help from everyone (including Scotland Yard and the FBI) and Gonc was still in charge of the investigation. Since that time, changes have happened - Gonc is no longer in charge of the investigation, and the teams that Kate and Gerry have hired to look for Madeleine have been in Portugal and there has been no consequences - no one has been arrested for tampering with an on going case so I'm not sure why he's still so afraid of going to Portugal.

I agree the PJ's made a lot of mistakes in this case and I like you hope and pray that Madeleine is still alive.


Hi Calcite. The guy that I know about who had his car burnt out (three times, it's reported somewhere) and had the word TALK (in Portuguese) painted on the pavement is a Russian called Sergey Malinka. He is a friend of Murats and it is reported that they were in contact by mobile that evening, which I believe Murat denied. I know that the Portuguese seem to have several names sometimes and use different combinations as it suits. The original Catholic priest at Luz Church has a string of names and is called by various combinations for reasons that I dont understand. Maybe Pedro or Maria could help me understand?

Possibly the same is true of Russians? Maybe they can have different names, or could it be that this is a different Russian? Anyone know?

Interesting that Brian Ladd was sort of denied access to Portugal; I had never heard that before, but then I haven't yet read all his pages. That is a must do! I have always wondered before why he didn't go! Thanks for that information


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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by Tinkerbell43 on Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:10 am

Cheers Diane,

I'm itching to comment on this but I daren't zipit
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Brian's latest dreams....

Post by calcite51 on Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:35 am

Actually, approximately eight months ago, Brian started to indicate he felt Madeleine had died but he back-tracked when his supporters became upset (at least that was my take on it).
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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by dianeh on Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:13 am

Calcite

I thought the same thing. He said she ran out of air either in the tunnel or in a box, or something along those lines. And then the next thing he changed his mind and said she was alive. And I put it down to the emails that came in.

But commonsense says that if she was under Murat's house for all this time, she is most likely dead, so I dont blame him for thinking she is dead.

I on the other hand dont believe she is under Murat's house or in the tunnels at all, and doubt she ever was there for any length of time, if at all.

I actually highlighted Brian's video because of the outright libellous allegations it contains. Unike this forum, which is private, Brian has that on public display. I was amazed at what he was saying.
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Re: Brian's Dreams Latest

Post by calcite51 on Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:43 pm

I don't believe Madeleine is in a tunnel in Portugal either. It makes more sense to me that she was taken out of the country via a boat or maybe she was taken out of the country via a van - the GR's certainly was not checking vehicles heading for Spain very carefully after Madeleine was abducted.
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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by Pedro Silva on Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:03 pm

I just say this, and I quote: "We urge you to remember Madeleine as a real, living and findable little girl", which I agree.

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red herrings

Post by sadie on Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:05 am

There are so many red herrings in this case that it is impossible to reach any conclusions really, so all we can do is have ideas based on the bits we do know - then build on them, by exploring every avenue.

The big problem is that we dont have all the facts and on the 3 A's - they are openly discussing that facts have been deliberately left out of the DVD's by the PJ, and seem to be sniggering about it! Have no idea whether this is a myth or whether they are in the know!

The people who are laying these red herrings need looking into, IMO, if we can identify tham at any stage. I can only think of one reason for laying red herrings!
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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by dianeh on Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:41 am

Sadie

IMO, the idea that evidence was left off the DVD's is just the way that the 3A's explain to themselves why there is nothing on there to incriminate the McCanns.

Since the evidence that is on there supports abduction/wander off and rules out death in the apartment, the 3A's had to come up with something to explain why they arent wrong, so it is simply that the crucial evidence wasnt included.

They dont even care how silly it makes them look, because if there was crucial incriminating evidence, then I feel pretty sure that the PJ would have used it and the McCanns would have been prosecuted.

I would agree though that there are may be things missing but these may just be becaue they havent been translated, or because of poor record keeping during the investigation. But not a 'smoking gun' that the 3A's are looking for.
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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by sadie on Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:34 am

Oh, I never thought of that Diane! Sounds very sensible.
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Post by Rosie on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:30 am

This is a very interesting thread and so I have made a special category for it and for the other threads we have like it on the forum.

Please bear with me, we are revamping and streamlining the forum, so there will inevitably be a few casualties. I am sorry I had to edit out a certain name here. It really is not anything personal.

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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by sadie on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:54 pm

dianeh wrote:http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1303534

Starting from about 22 minutes, Brian starts discussing the case.

At 27:27 minutes, he outright accuses Murat and his associates of taking Madeleine. This was done in conjunction with a russian pornographer who runs a video shop - Sargentae (or something, I havent heard the name before) who is part of the russian mafia.

He says that Murat met Gerry at the Tapas bar, he did this to get to know what their patterns were after they targeted Madeleine. Murat may not have taken her out of the apartment but was part of it, and was to help take her out of PDL. He thinks that Murat hid her in the tunnels when the s### hit the fan and they couldnt move her. Brian also thinks Madeleine is under Murats home and that she is not alive.

He also says that PJ are corrupt and purposefully tried to deflect the case away from the real culprits. And that they searched Murat's house and that the results were not the truth. They know that Madeleine was abducted but tried to frame the parents. Brian is giving Gonc a flogging.

I find it hard to beleive that Brian can say all of this without being sued for libel. And if what he says is true, then one would think he should be a bit frightened of the russian mafia.

I dont agree with him, except where he says the police are corrupt and Madeleine was abducted. THe rest is interesting but clearly libellous. I tend to go with MJ that Madeleine is still alive. No proof, just that i prefer that psychic theory.


Brian also claims that he was served a notice that if he set foot in PDL he would be arrested for interfering in the investigation.

Diane, I have only just got around to looking at this video. It is amazing;what a find!

If you haven't looked at this video, DO SO NOW. Really you will be amazed! I cannot see how anyone could dare to say the things that he said, without being 100% sure of his facts.


Now this brings the questions:

The Smiths sighting; was THAT A RED HERRING?

Who is this Mr Smith? Little seems to be known about him, but I believe he must be real, because the Mccann detectives were going to interview him.

If he is real, and Brians prediction is correct, then how come he saw bundleman + Madeleine over in Rua d'Escola (which is well away from, and in the opposite direction to, Murats house)........Hmm? I ask this question, because obviously if Brian is correct, then the likelyhood of bundleman being there with Madeleine is minute. Madeleine almost certainly would have been in Murats house/cellar/tunnels or maybe, in that mysterious garage near Murats house - and if she was being carried anywhere it would have been in the back of a van, or under blankets in a car, I would have thought.

Could bundleman have been carrying another little blonde girl dressed in clothes similar, or belonging to Madeliene along Rua d'Escola; just to muddy the waters?


Just think about it.


  1. If the scenario claimed by Brian is true, it must have been a major worry to Murat/Organisers that the abduction of Madeleine had been witnessed by Jane Tanner. He/they had to divert the attention away from his place.
  2. So possibly he came up with the idea of a substitution. That would have taken time and would explain the lost time we have all been worrying about between the JT sighting and the Smith sighting.
  3. Had anyone actually stopped bundleman - and I feel Smiths sighting must be genuine, and then looked closely at the little girl - she wouldn't have been Madeleine. So bundleman was in the clear......... Could she have been Murats daughter? Anyone know of any other little blonde girls in the area? ........Could the Smiths have deliberately been set up to see bundleman with the sustitute Madeleine? That might explain phone calls between Murat and Sergio, which Murat lied/forgot about originally. Does anyone know the times of those calls?


    Now, if the mysterious Mr Smith and family are not real, and only 'if'........

    ........Then for Amaral hitthefan . If that should be the case, it's Jailfor5Arguidos for a very long time




    At this stage, I should state that none of us know whether Brian has got it right, but if he has, we have to ask the questions above, if we are to find Madeleine and her abductors. I accuse no-one, but feel in the interests of finding Madeleine, we must examine the above questions - because Brians testimony demands investigation.


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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by sadie on Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:36 am

I feel my last post was a bit garbled. Even I could not understand it when I read it back today Laffin

I have tried to correct it. Let's have a complete rewrite!

If Brians Dream is correct - and ONLY if, then Madeleine was intended to be transported to Murats house and be hidden in secret tunnels underneath the Villa until such time as a deal could take place with whoever wanted her. Things started going wrong almost immediately. Because of the timings, I am beginning to think that Gerry was right in his thoughts that Bundleman WAS in the apartment when he checked the children. And Bundleman would have been shocked at Gerry coming back.

Now, remembering that this is just a theory, working around Brians dreams:


  • Madeleine was abducted by bundleman and went in an Easterly direction towards Murats Villa, BUT bundleman was seen with Madeleine in his arms by Jane Tanner. If my thoughts are correct, then this sighting compromised the safety of the operation People might guess that Madeleine was going to Murats.

In order to reduce the risk of people guessing that, in this theory, Murat may have come up with a plan. Now this plan could be one of a number of things:

  1. Bundleman should carry Madeleine through the streets to either keep her on other premises, until the hue and cry had died down, or
  2. Bundleman was to carry her through the streets and enter the network of tunnels at another place, but double back towards Murats via an underground route. In this case, it didn't matter if he was seen with Madeleine en route, because he was going in the opposite direction to Murats villa, or
  3. Bundleman was carrying Madeleine to meet up with a car or boat, either to whisk her away somewhere quiet for a while, or to a little boat to take her out of territorial waters for a while, or
  4. They used a substitute little blonde girl, dressed her in Madeleines Pyjamas and got bundleman to carry this sustitute little girl through the streets and away from Murats villa. He could do this fairly openly, because if anyone challenged him, he was carrying some little girl, but it wasn't Madeleine.............. If this scenario was used then it would be an advantage that this little girl, who could be mistaken for Madeleine, was seen with bundleman. Also the dressing of another little girl in Madeleines clthes could account for the long delay between JT's sighting and the Smiths sighting.

There are two other scenarios:

  1. That the mysterious Mr Smith is involved in the abduction in some way and said that he saw bundleman with Madeleine. I dont think this is likely
  2. Mr Smith was invented by Amaral. It was surprising that he didn't come forward sooner, but I really dont think this likely as I believe the Mccann detectives have checked him out.


Brian.........I wonder if your dreams are correct?


Everything can be found on the internet. Any people I have mentioned, have to be looked at, IMO, in order to try and discover what really happened to Madeleine.
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Re: Brian's Dream Latest

Post by christabel on Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:00 am

Tinkerbell43 wrote:Cheers Diane,

I'm itching to comment on this but I daren't zipit

Me too Diane and Tinks zipit
Brian sent me this but I hadn't had time to listen to it, till now. The last bit says an awful lot, about them taking Kate first and how lucky she was. Thats frightening, those remarks he made,
but IMO true. smellarat
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