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Article by Mark William Thomas - Times Online

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Article by Mark William Thomas - Times Online

Post by dianeh on Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:56 am

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3828120.ece

Just read this. I doubt that Madeleine was taken by an opportunistic predatory paedophile after she wandered out of the apartment. I am not saying it couldnt have happened but what a coincidence. She just happens to come out of the apartment, at the same time as a paedophile happens to be passing. Bit of a stretch. I have considered this a couple of times before and just cant quite get past the huge co-incidence needed.

In fact, the evidence by dogs, that Madeleine turned towards Tapas bar and then went back could also be explained by her doing exactly that on any given day while she was there on holidays. Any dog evidence, regarding where she walked, was taken, can also be explained that way. The dog cant tell whether she went that way before or after she was abducted, or even if it was a week earlier.

But rest of the article is pretty good. I know it was discussed on blog but I thought I would start a thread here.

Interesting too, that Mr Thomas here is an expert in this area and considered abduction the most likely scenario. This is the sort of person who should have been consulting with the PJ on the case.
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Re: Article by Mark William Thomas - Times Online

Post by dianeh on Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:07 pm

Mr and Mrs McCann believe their daughter was abducted and trafficked abroad but Madeleine does not fit the profile. Girls are trafficked into the sex trade as prostitutes or for domestic slavery, both with financial gain to the seller and purchaser. Who was to gain from her trafficking?

And this is the other point that I would beg to differ on. Children are trafficked for many reasons, not just as prostitutes or for domestic slavery. Also sold to paedophile rings, and for adoption. There is a significant market in the adoption areas, where people request a specific type of child. Madeleine is definitely too young for domestic slavery but not to young for paedophiles and may not be too old for adoption, as she was still young but out of nappies etc, that may be what someone is looking for. Less work but still young enough to forget her family.

Another comment on the predatory paedophile, is that surely if the person is a local, they would strike again. Not likely only do once and not strike again, not unless Madeleine is still being held by that person, so has no need to take another child. And that makes me weep for her but hopeful she could be found.

I hate no knowing, I imagine terrible things. I can only imagine how hard it must be for Kate and Gerry, as these same thoughts would go through their heads on a daily basis. :(
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If Madeleine woke up . . .

Post by Guest on Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:11 am

and wandered around looking for her parents, surely she would have turned lights on (provided of course she could reach them). How many kids wander around in the dark looking for their parents, especially in a place that isn't their home? I don't know how much of the apartment could be seen but surely the McCanns would have seen the lights go on in their place or if not, when they got back they would have seen lights on everywhere?

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Post by Tinkerbell43 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:35 am

I dont believe the Theory MWT is putting out. To go along with his theory would mean Kate & Gerry would have been lying about the windows and shutters and I dont believe Gerry & Kate have been anything but open and honest.

Like Gerry I too believe the person JT see was the abductor, this man has never come forward to be eliminated or been found. I didnt realise until I heard the Radio4 documentary that JT had also given the description of Madeleines pjamas BEFORE she was even aware of what Madeleine had on.

I'm of the firm opinion this was a planned abduction and it would appear it is also the opinion of trained professionals in this type of crime, and why the PJ didnt work alongside or accept assistance from these people is astounding given their lack of experience in these type of cases.
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Hi Everyone

Post by Rosie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:40 am

Just a fleeting post!

I have mixed feelings about this too!

Some things I agree on and some I do not, but he is the expert. Would like to know how how knew she got up and cried a bit though and what about the window?
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Mark Williams -Thomas

Post by Rosie on Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:49 pm

Recently I read a post written by Vile, in it she mocks Mark Williams-Thomas for being just a detective constable!

This is how far this woman has sunk, just a detective Constable, is a detective constable more than her and more than she will ever be. Unless of course she intends to introduce another string to her insane fantasy CV bow?

Main career being a mere solicitor!

1) Solicitor
2) Probation Officer
3) Crack shot photographer and digital image expert
4) Ex Chief Detective Inspector (no less of course!)

Actually for the record Mark Williams-Thomas has an impressive CV (a real one, not a fantasy one like Vile's)

Mark Williams-Thomas, a Criminologist and Child Protection Expert

He is one of the country's leading child protection consultants- appearing and lecturing on the risk management and assessment of offenders as well as missing children. He now owns his own Child Protection & Risk Management Consultancy.

Prior to setting up his own consultancy in 2005, Mark was a police Detective specialising in major crime. With considerable experience of investigating major paedophile and murder investigations, as well as being one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers during his time in the police.

Mark is also a Criminologist - Masters & Pg Diploma (Commendation)

Interestingly, Mark Williams-Thomas is on record as saying he does not think the McCann's were in any way involved with their daughter's disappearance.

He also thinks the PJ have messed this investigation up right from beginning to end.

However, this is hardly a unique position as every other expert in this field that I have heard discussing this case thinks the same. Although opinion on what happened and how it happened may differ between these experts, notably every expert in the field of child disappearances and paedophile rings and activity all agree on three fundamental points 1) Madeleine was abducted 2) The Portuguese police have messed up spectacularly 3) The parents are totally innocent.

But hey Vile and Notdoc with their fantasy CV's know best don't they?

The last time I heard Mark talking about this case he mentioned it would be good if perhaps the PJ could release the parents from their arguido status, hand over the files on this case to their investigators and for the investigation to commence again right from the beginning in PDL from that tragic evening on 3rd May as he believes (like any sane rational person does) that much has not been done that could still be done that would shed light on what happened to Madeleine. He along with other *EXPERTS* in this field have commented that the are has still NOT been properly searched almost 14 months on! No 15K ring search has ever been done, this should have been carried out immediately, but was never implemented.

Searches that did take place were haphazardly and totally disorganised, with on one in overall control co ordinating the searches, GNR, fireman and members of the public just met by word of mouth and went off searching on their own. They were not told what to look out for or how to search an area etc and vital DNA clues yet again could have been lost forever. But here is the rub, there could be vital DNA clues still there for a proper organised teams of searches to discover.

Why hasn't the PJ done this?

I am beginning to think that the PJ may know what happened to Madeleine and they do not want what happened to her or where she is now known, for their own reasons, what ever they may be! Use your imaginations, there are two that immediately spring to mind. If you think it is far fetched, would you have thought Josef Fritzel and what he done to his daughter far fetched?

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Vile on Mark William Thomas

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:13 pm

The attacks on Mark William Thomas by Vile not only show how desperate she is to crucify the McCanns, but it also puts into doubt her 'career' as a probation officer.

Just like I don't expect a real doctor to spend all day online criticising fellow doctors like notdoc does. I don't expect a former probation officer to lauch such a fowl libellous attack on a serving police officer from her country who has an impressive CV while fawning over an officer from another country who is facing corruption charges. It just doesn't add up!.

What a weird woman Vile is. She and her mad followers never cease to amaze me...

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Hi Supertroll

Post by Rosie on Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:12 am

Exactly! Now you mention it, why would Vile denigrate a person Of Mark Williams-Thomas experience, integrity and credibility, who has never once had his professionalism or his integrity in question or brought into disrepute, while bumping up a person that has been accused of corruption, torture, witness intimidation and perverting the course of justice.

You are absolutely correct ST, why on earth would she do this, it just doesn't make sense. Almost as if these people are scared witless of the truth emerging.

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Mark William-Thomas

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:06 am

Maybe Claudia and Alsabella have brainwashed her so much that she now wants to become Portuguese and is selling out.

Vile is so insane that whatever you tell her she is only going to believe what she wants to believe.

Portugal is most welcome to have her.
She can go and live happily ever after with Notdoc in Beja...

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No No No Supertroll

Post by Rosie on Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:27 am

To be brainwashed, first you have to have a brain! lol! lol! lol!

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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:10 am

thaem icons are just grrrrrrreeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttt.

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ST!!!

Post by Mandz on Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:53 pm

The attacks on Mark William Thomas by Vile not only show how desperate she is to crucify the McCanns, but it also puts into doubt her 'career' as a probation officer.

Just like I don't expect a real doctor to spend all day online criticising fellow doctors like notdoc does. I don't expect a former probation officer to lauch such a fowl libellous attack on a serving police officer from her country who has an impressive CV while fawning over an officer from another country who is facing corruption charges. It just doesn't add up!.

What a weird woman Vile is. She and her mad followers never cease to amaze me...

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Prof Kevin Browne..

Post by Mandz on Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:05 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2681658.ece

Possible escape routes aside, one of the most convincing arguments I have heard for an abduction by a local came from my colleague at Liverpool University, Professor Kevin Browne, who advises many international agencies including the WHO and Unicef on child protection. He made clear that this quiet village could harbour a number of child abusers who had been released into the community rather than convicted.

The situation in Portugal was, he pointed out, very different from that in Britain today, being more the way it used to be here a decade or more ago.

Compared with other countries in Western Europe, Portugal convicts a much smaller proportion of child abusers. Children are more likely to be removed from their families, ending up in institutions while their abusers walk free. As a consequence, there are not only potentially more abusers within society unmarked and unmonitored, but a of whole new generation of people with an increased likelihood of becoming abusers because of their own experiences.

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I'm not sure however I found this quite interesting.
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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:25 pm

yes it is very intresting,i wonder which way the abductors route was!!!!!!!!!

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